Disheartened and discouraged

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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When I found this site I was very excited. It seemed like everyone was having great success and that science had beaten nature. I read tons of experience journals and threads of people saying how effective their phero regimes are. I purchased A314, IO and IS2x. They arrived a little late, but with Steveo’s help they were on time enough. I took a nice shower, and did one drop of A314 to my left wrist, and rubbed the two together. A second drop to my right wrist and spread it behind my ears on the pulse points. Then I let it dry and shot some lucky #6 over it. I sprayed the IS2x togo onto my neck(one shot) and then the IO onto the backs of my hands. I let it dry and dressed to impress.
I get to my internship fair, and I notice nothing. I’m a confident guy so my issue isn’t that I’m sabotaging myself. I go booth to booth, shaking hands and letting my pherocloud engulf the recruiters. I got next to nothing. A few people avoided eye contact and others acted as they usually would. No effects noticed.

I went home and changed into street clothes. My roomates and I went to a friends house and there were lots of new people there. I did the rounds looking for reactions and got nothing. Literally no change from the usual. I went into the bathroom and put a drop of A314 onto the top of my head, and shot IS2x onto my neck. Back into the mix, and still nothing.

NExt morning, showered off last night brew, ried off and went to class. Came home and did the same ritual with the A314. Went to my second class, and saw nothing. The kid in front of me turned and asked the kid next to me a question even though they both know that I know more than them. Nobody acted any different around me. I didn’t feel any more Alpha than usual, and no more eye contact than usual.

I get home, shoot the IO onto the back of hy head in the hair, shot on some Polo2x black and went to work. I work at a sandwhich shop. Nothing out of the norm. Boss was the same, coworkers no change, and the customers were as usual. I went into the back and took two shots of IS2x to the neck. No change. Saw nothing, felt nothing.

Went home, showered, went to sleep. Next day, got up, shot IS2x onto my hair, went out and had a couple beers with my brother. Ran into a lot of people, nothing odd, no attention, no eye contact. Went to a “Club” got nothing mre than usual, no effect really. I added a third shot of IS2x and we went to a house party. No effect.

So. I’m wondering what the deal is. I’ve tried all the products, tried A314 and IS by them selves and I’ve seen nothing, nada, zilch zip. Any suggestion? I’m regaining my pheroskepticism.

ON top of my lack of success pheromonally. My order was supposed to have a full size bottle of IS in it, which never came. and my IOTogo had leaked. I filed a ticket and was told I’d get a replacement IO and the IS, and it’s been quite a while and haven’t gotten anything, not even an email. Am I just unlucky? I’m really feeling pretty sour about this whole stiuation.

Despite all that negativity, I’m very happy about finding this community. You guy seem pretty awesome. I hope I have at least a smdge of PHerosuccess so I can remain a part of this group. Thanks for reading. Any help is appreciated.

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Hi pyruvate,
It is only 3 days that you have tested the pheros. Maybe you haven’t ot your right dosage or they call it sweet spot. Be patience.

I suggest you try one product at a time to see the effect. Increase the number of drop/spray if you don’t see any effect.

Hopefully this will help.

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I think bonded is right. You really need to slow down and take a more methodical approach to the testing. You started out with mixes AND you are using A314 which is often hard for younger people to make work for them.

Do not take this wrong - but the A314 is not likely to change your bosses opinion of you in one day given your age and work situation, especially if he/she is the owner or one of the primary managers. He may think a little more highly of you, but you will still be one of the young people he has working for him.

I would go back to trying just one product for several days. Start with either Instant Shine or IO. Start with a low dose and work up.

The other thing is that depending on personality or our ability to read the social situation around us, the changes can sometimes be hard to detect at first.

Take myself for example. At work I am a senior leader in charge. No doubts. The A314 will not change that. But it can make subtle influence on how that “in charge” is played out.

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I feel your pain. Yes in the very beginning the Pheromaster could not get her mones to do squat. (snort) Jasmin and the lovely Phero ladies took me under there wing and a master was born.

A few suggestions…

Use one product at a time till you get it working so you can see exactly what it does. This way you will know which one it is and how much you need to see a reaction.

Use more A314 you wont OD it dosnt have much anone in it. Try 4 full drops. Apply to the pulse points or places your body heats up. This is more important with oil based products. You need to get it to diffuse.

Keep in mind that A314 dosnt up your approuchablity it ups your status. Look for visual cues and people treating you better. Some girls are attracted to the alpha personality and some wait from a cue from the alpha that there is interest before they will approuch. Make eye contact and smile.

You mention your a confident guy so your not going to feel the self effects as strongly as some guys will.

Now onto IShine …

You have 2X am I correct ? Everyone because of climate and the way there bodies heat up needs different dosages. Systematically find your sweet spot. Its a chore I know but I had to go though it to make the products work and once you do you will be glad you did.

Its post number 5 but read the whole thread.

You used IO to the backs of your hands. Not sure how much you used. You can use up to 5 sprays. Pick different application points for each spray.

Keep in mind those closest to you take longr to be effected. They know you natural mone sig and have preconcieved notions about you already. After repeated exposure they begin to notice a change and respond to it.

OK now onto you last problem

They are training a new girl in CS. SteveO announced that they had a little mishap and some tickets got deleted. Not sure if yours could have been one of them but what you should do is send another or call SteveO on TUE. Just say your doing a follow up because you havent received word yet. They will take care of you. Jasmin wants you to be happy believe me she just posted it this morning right here…

We are here to help you, hang in there you can get them working it just takes a little tweaking.

Tisha

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Hi there, dont worry it my friend.

Even now I still get that feeling occasionally when I test out some new mix that I make up. Keep trying and dont give up, it’ll be worth it I promise.

A few pointers. Firstly, people who already know you will respond far less obviously to your new phero signature since they have known you for a while. For them it will take longer to have an effect.

Secondly, and I learnt this the hard way. It takes time for the pheros to work with your skin chemisty. Some products like Ammo took a fair few days to get rolling whilst others worked faster. For me A314 took off after the second/third application. Whatever, you do dont start splashing excessive amounts (10 drops of A314 for example) of the pheros on to try and see a reaction. It will work against you. Increase the amount you put on day by day. Until you get the reaction you are looking for.

Third point, what kind of reactions are you looking for? If you were expecting people to drop to their knees and swear alligence to you (you probably werent expecting this…I hope!) then you will be dissapointed. The changes may be subtle in nature (and usually are but sometimes rather obvious and yes I also love the obvious ones, its what drew us all here in the first place, right?) and you have to be aware of them and capitalise on the situation.

It’s been said many times before, it’s 90% you, 10% pheros not the other way around :wink:

Anyway, I hope this helps you, keep the faith and the hard work will pay off. All the best and keep reporting! That way if you continue to have problems, we can further help or enjoy reading about your success.

All the best :slight_smile:

Rattle

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It’s okay, we’re here to help and we’ll make you happy. :slight_smile:

Just give Steve a call at 800-671-6464, and he’ll fix any shipping problems you had… and also give you social awareness and phero usage training on the house to help you.

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Hey Pyruvate, it happens a lot that guys don’t see the effects right off the bat. One thing that is important esp. with A314 is to wear it regularly for a while and then sorta step back and see how people feel about you. Mharris called it the grapevine. It’s how people see you even if they don’t say it to your face.

If you have read Patratt’s journal you’ll see that sometimes it just takes awhile to figure this stuff out. Keep trying. Best to ya.

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yes, what mones do I need for this reaction.

Alright. One full day with nothing but IS2x. two shots, one hair, one front of neck. Initiated eye contact with a few people. Tried to be fairly outgoing. Shook a bunch of hands. Didn’t notice anything at all. No extra smiles or
positive reactions. Shot two more after 4 hours, with same situation and same results. Tried some overly outgoing exchanges saying hello in passing, etc. Saw nothing. Sprayed three more(finished bottle) after 4 more hours and had SSDD. Blargh.

I guess the experients continue tomorrow.

So A314 by itself at high dosage and IS2x by itself at high dosage with no discernable results…encouraging.

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ok im going to ask this…most ppl talk about ppl they talked to ppl they were hanging with if u dont talk to ppl…ppl wont talk to u.If u need something that may hlp u besides phero’s i will send u something but i can’t add it on here they have a 300.0kb limit if u pm me ur email i will send it to u no worry’s its nothing bad it should hlp try it out and see

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I’m at a bit of a loss?

So today I felt like an ass. Got home from a lady’s house and there was a shiny yellow envelope sitting on my bed. It may have been there for a full day as I haven’t been home too much. So my order has been taken care of, thank you.

Today, I am wearing four drops of A314(wrist, wrist, top of head, smeared behind ears). The smell is a bit strong at 4 drops, but the polo black does a great job of rectifying that. I sat egregiously close to my FS partner on a bench for about an hour, and it seemed a little more comfortable than usual. Which I didn’t expect fron A314, so it may have just been that it was our first meeting outside of class.
During class, I played it cool(as usual) focused on the lecturer, and fastidioulsy took notes. I made sure to answer as many of his questions as possible and helped out the people around me during the lecture quiz. Nothing noticable, or at least out of the norm should I say. There were two people I’d never sat with before, but they were talking to each other through the duration.

Thinking about trying 3 mroe drops A314 at the 6 hour mark. Burning through my pheros…IS it possible that being a big guy I’d need more pheros than a smaller person? This doesn’t make sense to me, but maybe my natural signature is stronger due to greater surface area? Eh?

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Could be you need more. Idle uses 5 drops I believe and I am not sure if he is a big man or not LOL

Everyone is different so if you didnt see anything with 4 move on up to 5.

Keep in mind your enviroment to. Try it in places where people are more social. Dont just look for more people talking to you. With A314 you look at how people treat you. No any people who are not always respectful . Test it around them. You getting closer I can feel it.

Call steveO like Jas mentioned, Between 9 and 3 PST and he will help alot to. He can give some really great tips.

Are you a member of the A314 forum ??? They can help you alot down there to. If you need the password let me or steveO know.

Tisha

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I now use 5 drops because 1/4 of my A314 is full with TAA oil :slight_smile:
so thats 3,75 drops A314 and 1.25 TAA..
but my normal dose is 4 A314 and 5 when i have some meetings

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This is the way I do it. It does take I believe numerous days of pheromones usuage to reach critical mass. I belive about 2 weeks of “mone” usage to reach critical mass. First try a deliberate OD of the “none” try Ammo try 5 sprays but not at work. The A314 i escalted up. My method make tin layer of A314 into a beard, mustache and a dab beyond the ears. This should be plenty. It gets expensive but who care. Also, if your body temperature runs hot, thewn need more apps.

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I definately care :slight_smile:

Tis all good advice. So Today i finally figured out the mix to make everyone my slave…and by that I mean I finished out the day the way it started, smelling like a gym sock and noticing nothing. I’m not going to give up.

I’ve been trying to be as meticulous as possible with my hygeine. Should I not be trying to get everything off in the shower? Since I’ve been using the A314 in my hair I’ve been trying to shampoo the hell out of my head.

I wish I had some Ammo, seems to be the most pheron00b friendly mone. I’m not trying to sound conceited or arrogant, but I think the issue may be that I’m already sort of the role I’m trying to play with the A314. I’m a natural leader, and maybe my own personal signature is similar to A314. So I might be expecting too blatant of reactions. My whole life, every girl I am near tends to stare, and I’m not by any means inordinately good looking. I keep up my looks to the best of my ability, but I’m near average. I’m told I have a really good body, which might have something to do with it. I’m also 6’5, which also may play a role.

Anyway, thanks for the input. I’m taking it all to heart. I don’t know if I could take a beard made of A314 since having is even just on my wrists I smell it constantly. I’m going to do something insane with the A314 and do 2 drops every half hour at work and gauge my customers reactions. By close, I will be wearing 8 drops of A314. I know it’s a lot, but I’ve had 0 success with up to 6! It could also just be that I’m a giant arrogant asshole and I wouldn’t know if it was working at all.

Long ass post, eh? And really, I haven’t said much at all. I guess that’s called babbling. :slight_smile:

I love you guys. On any other forums(I go on a lot of bodybuildre forums) if I had this attitude, I’d be flamed and possibly banned, whereas you guys all genuinely want to help me. Warms my heart. :slight_smile: :slight_smile: :slight_smile:

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Hey dude, when I first started reading this board, I felt the same way. I had preconceived expectations of what pheros could do for me. I’ll admit, my first time using them I had hits of grandeur, but I was very scientific and methodical about the number and location of sprays and drops. I made sure to use a neutral scented soap while I showered and began from a “blank slate.” Once I had a clue of how to spray, rub, etc, I got some soap that would complement the scents created by mixing the solutions together. If you’re cognizant about the way you apply your pheros and project through your demeanor what you want to achieve during the day, just go through your day and the pheros will enhance it. Just keep in mind - the pheros are merely an enhancement to your personality and others’ perception of it. A great post by galydrum really helped me, you should check it out! Bon chance!

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Pyruvate, it’s good that you are determined. I think you may be right in that you are looking for too blatant a reaction, these things are usually very subtle. It’s only the rare occasion that there is a big blatant hit. Lemme tell you about my evening wearing 3 drops A314. You’ll see that there was nothing extrordinary but a string of little things.
1.) I have an evening class at my community college. We had a test tonite. I was terribly ill prepared. About ten minutes into the test Teach looks around and says “you know what?” looks right at me “It looks like some of you are having some trouble, for the next ten minutes this is an open book test.” Maybe she would have done that anyway, I don’t know.

2.) Running errands after class I shoot by micky d’s for a small fry and coke. I end up with about 3 times the normal amount of frys in my to go bag… maybe it was sloppy counter help IDK.

3.) At the grocery store I nearly bumped into a well dressed elderly lady, neither of us were paying close attention but it was clearly more my fault than hers. I apologized, she backed her cart out of my way and very demurely insisted that I go first, called me sir and insisted that it was her clumsyness that caused the near mishap. It was not and she did not strike me as the submissive type. In fact she seemed to be the type who was used to having her way. Maybe she just felt the urge to outpolite me, it’s a small town we are like that.

What I’m trying to say is instead of looking for things to happen or prove that pheromones work, just wear them. Assume they are working and then look back after a while and see if your life is easier or not.

One other thing I just saw this post by Bosshank that talks a little about the downside of heavy A314. Since you are 6’5" you should definitly take note that it can be intimidating. Best to you.

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A lot has already been talked about. You’re in good hands. :smiley:

I would suggest leaving the a314 for later. I feel that a314’s effects can be very subtle and hard to pick up on. I would recommend just using IS for a week. Don’t try IS one day, then a314 the next. Try IS for a week.

Also, it seems like you’re looking for quantity in reactions. Extra smiles? It’s not that people smile more or get up in your face to show you how hard they’re smiling. It’s more so that the quality of interaction is different.

So it’s not that Situation + IS = extra smiles/friendliness, it’s that Situation + IS = lighter, more fun situation. A lighter, more fun situation leads to brighter smiles and interactions.