My stupid newbie tricks

[renny]

STOP
If you are new and have not read this thread byZeph

Pheromone F A Qs

Ok, I was bored and extremely intoxicated while doing this. That being said, I’ve noticed the same questions being asked so I decided to put together a FAQ. I feel these are the top 10 most common questions. To find a question easier instead of scrolling down and finding it, search for it. Windows, use ctrl + f and search for “1.8” and it will only lead you to 2 places, the top, here and to the bottom, where the question is without having to scroll down. For macs, use command, that funky squigly…

Ksages great expectations post

How to think about pheremones' effects

Now that I’ve been using SmartMones for over a year, I’m writing the intro post that I wish had been there for me to read when I got started. There are some other great posts about what the different pheromones and combos do, so I won’t go into that here. Instead I want to talk about setting realistic expectations and using pheromones for the best results. First off, pheromones work. Just accept it. They do not, however, work as obviously and clearly as a hammer on a nail. (More on how the…

Another great post that may help many guys by Fire and Ice

To you guys who think pheromones get women

pheromones don’t get you women. Yes I repeat – pheromones don’t get you women. What they actually can do varies based on the description. Some of them will work as advertised for you and others won’t. Overall though pheromones are not going to make it so that women hook up with you. That is up to YOU. It all depends on YOU. What pheromones WILL do is to make your job easier in the following ways: It will cause women to take more interest in you and what you say. It will give you confiden…

Wow, the two month mark! I might as well post a few of my less than stellar phero adventures. I wouldn’t have listened to me but there may be some smarter noobs out there who will heed these remarks.

First order was A314, Instant Openness, Instant Honesty, Instant Shine, Instant Female Magic, Turn Up The Heat, CTTM.

I think the most phero-wasteful thing I did was changing signal too often. My first week I used A314 in the morning and then put on something else in the evening. That wasn’t too bad. I got lots of compliments and questioning looks (What’s different?) and attention from the A314, and the evening that I wore CTTM I started something of a party in a slow checkout grocery line. After that though I was so anxious to get a feel for how the others worked that I would wear something different everyday. I tried wearing just Instant Shine and didn’t see anything obvious right away like I did with the A314 and started the old spray on a little of everything routine. I ended up just creating a muddy confusing signal that then took a while to overcome.

Lesson, everybody reads it; it’s hard to do. The best thing is to try one thing for a week, then try something else for a week. It takes your body time to adjust. It takes people around you time to adjust. Your mental focus needs time to adjust.

This reads like a lecture. Sorry, more stupid newbie tricks and a less paternal writing style to follow .

[jm1080]

hmm my next order is A314 and im noob too, I have tried Instant Shine TUTH, AMMO, Instant Openness, and Honesty and havnt really noticed anything major. Did CTTM really have that effect to it? because Openness and Honesty didnt really do nothing for me.

[tisha23]

Very good post renny. This is very true and one of the reasons people fail when they try pheromones. It takes more then the “instant” they right on the bottle.

[Special_K]

Oh, so when I get my stuff I should keep if fairly vanilla for a few days at a time, like, not drastically change from say Instant Openness & IS to Ammo the next?

What about a cyclical rotation, say:

Day 1: 4 sprays Instant Openness + 3 IS
Day 2: 4 sprays Instant Openness + 3 IS + 2 drops of A314
Day 3: 2 sprays Instant Openness + 3 IS + 2 drops of A314
Day 4: 3 sprays of IS + 2 drops of A314
Day 5: 2 drops of A314
Day 6: 2 drops of A314
Day 7: 2 drops of A314 + 2 sprays Instant Openness
Day 8: 2 drops of A314 + 4 sprays Instant Openness
Day 9: 4 sprays Instant Openness + 1 spray Ammo

Chuck a couple of phero-free days somewhere In there idk.

So like, you’re building a regularity of a part of your phero signature, whilst phasing everything through, so you’re not wearing a new sig each day, but gradually changing it, thoughts?

[tisha23]

Nope you need to do this…

Use one product at a time for at least a week. Try to do a few days at each dosage in different settings. I will use a week as a example below though so you can get the general ideal

Lets use shine as a example.

Day 1. 1 spray to hair, Gage your self effects and any seen effects for the day.

Day 2. 1 spray to hair, 1 spray to chest. Gage your results

Day 3. 1 spray to hair, 1 to chest and 1 split to wrists. Gage your results

Day 4. 1 spray to hair, 1 to neck ,1 to chest, 1 split to wrists “”“”“”“”“”"

Day 5. Go back to day 1 or 2 and then reapply half way though the day.

Day 6. go back to day 3 and reapply a half dose of it half way though the day.

Day 7. Look back at your week and try to determine what you sweet spot is for dosage.

Then you move onto the next product by it self. After you tested those two then you can begin to make combo’s with them.

This will be different for Androstenone based products. Lower dosage and no reapply needed.

Tisha

[Special_K]

Well alright then, sounds good.
Thanks for the advice Tisha

[renny]

Special K, listen to the lady with the amazonian avatars. Two notes here.

I edited my op for clarity. I’m going to try to use the following convention from here on… signature when I mean long term persona and signal when I mean a more short term feeling ( I feel really good today I’m going to use Instant Openness instead of Instant Honesty type of thing).

I’ll put one caveat on the “one thing for one week” mantra, after all we’re newbies and newbies just wanna have fun. If you’re testing something like Instant Shine or one of the -nols during the day one week and a good party or some kind of get together comes up and you want to try your ammo go for it. Don’t try the ammo and first product together. What I mean is if you put on Ishine for work in the morning it’s going to be gone by the time the party at moe’s house starts in the evening so it would be ok to try ammo at moe’s party. it would be equally valid to reapply Instant Shine, but since the party is a better place to try ammo than work is, don’t waste the chance just because you’re using Instant Shine at work. Just don’t go out every night of the week with something else on.

[renny]

jm1080, thanks for the great segue into my next stupid newbie trick. I hope it answers your question.

Looking for HITS. You probably won’t see any hits if you’re looking for them. Maybe the occasional compliment or difference in body language. If you’re lucky a slight change in attitude. Pheromones are not magic potions. That’s a cliche that is punted around this forum a lot. What does it mean?

Hits are not something you observe, hits are something you make happen. YOU CREATE THEM !!! jm1080 I’m going to pick on you and I’m going to rep you for letting me .

I have tried Instant Shine Turn Up The Heat, AMMO, Instant Openness, and Honesty and havnt really noticed anything major.

Nope and you’re not going to. Spraying something else isn’t going to help. I tried that, wasted my pheros. For the record I think CTTM, IO, and IH are nearly the same. I have a lot more experience to gain to tell the difference.

The incident I referred to in my first post went like this. I had tried IO and IH on previous evenings and just like jm1080 I hadn’t noticed anything major. That evening I go shopping with 3 sprays of cttm. I went up and down the aisles slowly, I smiled at everyone, I looked for hits. Nothing. I went to checkout. Three registers, all of them backed up and waiting for something. There was a couple in the line on my right. Everyone was standing there quiet, bored, annoyed whatever. Somebody came and opened another register two or three people, including the girl from the couple hurried to get in the new line.
Her guy just stood there looking straight ahead, she ended up on my left two lines over. Well she started whispering and motioning for him to follow her.
“Henry, psst Henry” stamps foot “get over here”
Henry was oblivious. Since she was looking past me I saw that some of the other folks thought she was talking to me and were looking at me.
“psst Henry!”
More people looked my way.
“SSSS, HENRY!”
Henry was looking straight ahead. So I just leaned over tapped him on the shoulder and said “Yo, she wants you” and pointed at the girl.
People just started giggling, the lady in front of me says “Oh I thought you were Henry” suddenly everyone is talking to me. “man that was funny” ect. ect. The giggling and talkativeness continued until I checked out and left.

CTTM started doing just what it says, it lightened the mood and made folks more talkative. IO or IH would’ve done the same thing I think. Had I just stood there and not moved to help poor Henry nothing would have happened. No Hit!

Well This is getting a little long but I hope it illustrates my point.

Lesson, don’t look for hits. Wear your pheros and move around and do things and meet people. Say Hi. You’ve been sitting next to a hot girl in class for an hour when it’s over ask to see her notes. Do Something!

[data4]

Great post and example/report, there Renny! Reps for that! I’m loving this thread so far.

-D4

[Special_K]

Hmm righto Renny, sounds good - Yeap. I think this week will be trials of Instant Openness for school.

Application at 8am for school.
Application at 4pm for work on Tues/Thurs.

So seeing as it’s a completely different environment at work I think I’ll be right to trial A314, nobody there that I see outside of work anyway, I’m an alpha there already so just looking for an improvement in intensity, better responses. More details in my journal.

Cheers
J

[renny]

My third stupid newbie trick refers back to the first in some ways. Testing one thing by itself for a whole week is hard but it really is the only way to learn what they do and how to use them.

One thing I did that made the ‘one thing for a week’ program difficult was ‘falling in love’ with my first good hits. The most impressive thing that happened to me right away was getting a series of compliments on losing weight. A314 was my first test and one of the effects I’ve found with it is that people I already know who encounter it for the first time feel the need to make some sort of compliment or other gesture to let me know they like or otherwise appreciate me. That assumes they like me to start with. It’s almost a reflexive thing, and the next time we meet they have their social filters in place and things go back to a more normal tone.

Anyway combine that effect with the self confidence that a314 also engenders and I just didn’t want to give that up to test my next product, ishine. I tried Ishine by itself for two days and didn’t see the effects. I started wearing a314 with it. I started seeing effects again. If I had not started combining them I would have soon figured the more subtle “brightness” effect of ishine. I just didn’t give it a chance. This led to using more products together and really messed up what I was trying to do.

Ishine by itself is really useful for me now. I wore it alone all last week and saw that after a few minutes exposure my customers and others I meet really do get a good bright happy feeling. Even sour faced people who look like they never smile often brighten right up while I’m talking to them. It’s fun to watch. It doesn’t really happen quite like that if I’m wearing a314 and ishine together.

Lesson, stick with the testing program even if it seems like the second product isn’t working or if you just fall completely in love with the effects of the first product. Work on your people skills and you’ll soon see that even if the effects are more subtle or just different that they are useful.

[renny]

Newbie trick#4. Failure to own the signal. When I started I had good days and not so good days. A lot of things can influence this. I think “Tater’s” observation about dehydration is one of the things to watch for. If you’re shooting for a GREAT day though, you’ve got to “own the signal”.

Most of the Androtics products carry a little tag line. Instant Shine’s is “Confident and more brilliant than the rest”. That tag line is not just what the product can help you achieve. It’s a story you can tell yourself, an goal you can shoot for, a person you can be.

One of my best days early on was this one Two nice experiences, One Weird . The reason I got treated so well by the gate desk guy is that I was acting like an important person on his way to a seminar. I was acting the part of an a314 man with a big hit of Ishine. I was owning the signal. You can tell from the post that I didn’t really realize it at the time. When I wrote it I was putting most of the credit on the pheromones. In fact I wasn’t totally sure about the whole experience. Looking back now I can see better what was happening. The pheromones were just lending credit to the person I was projecting that day. I still don’t know what I was projecting to the guy in the washroom, I hope I never project it again. :o

Lesson, spend that week testing a product learning to BE the person wearing it. If you have an off day analyze to see if you were being congruent with the signal. If you have a great day, study it, and see what you were doing that made it work.

[data4]

@renny

Newbie trick#4. Failure to own the signal. When I started I had good days and not so good days. A lot of things can influence this. I think “Tater’s” observation about dehydration is one of the things to watch for. If you’re shooting for a GREAT day though, you’ve got to “own the signal”.

Most of the Androtics products carry a little tag line. Instant Shine’s is “Confident and more brilliant than the rest”. That tag line is not just what the product can help you achieve. It’s a story you can tell yourself, an goal you can shoot for, a person you can be.

One of my best days early on was this one Two nice experiences, One Weird . The reason I got treated so well by the gate desk guy is that I was acting like an important person on his way to a seminar. I was acting the part of an a314 man with a big hit of Ishine. I was owning the signal. You can tell from the post that I didn’t really realize it at the time. When I wrote it I was putting most of the credit on the pheromones. In fact I wasn’t totally sure about the whole experience. Looking back now I can see better what was happening. The pheromones were just lending credit to the person I was projecting that day. I still don’t know what I was projecting to the guy in the washroom, I hope I never project it again. :o

Lesson, spend that week testing a product learning to BE the person wearing it. If you have an off day analyze to see if you were being congruent with the signal. If you have a great day, study it, and see what you were doing that made it work.

I can’t think of anything other than to say this is some of the best advice that can be found here. Reps to ya, bud!

-D4

[renny]

Thanks D4, It’s easier to write than to pull off but I’m kinda writing this as reminders to myself as much as anything.

[Special_K]

Wow great advice Renny! Great post.

[renny]

Wow, several of you guys have had nice things to say about this thread in your journals. THANKS! It’s good to know my posts were helpful.
I thought I would put up a few tips that helped me get started. I don’t claim credit for any of them. They are posted in many places around here and I just thought I would bring them together. I’ll credit them as best I can. If the thought is yours and I mis credit it (or mis characterize) lemme know so I can fix it.

1. Hydration- “Tater” is right. Drink your water. Rest, exercise and a balanced diet also keep you feeling good and projecting those good vibes. The better you feel the better you are at picking up on how your targets feel.

2. Application points. Gegogi and others talk a lot about applying spray products to clothes etc. I’ve had great results with CTTM and IH applied low on my shirt and to my pants. As always if it’s delicate fabric test for colorfastness.
   MarkL talks about the benefits of applying under your clothing especially if you want just a hint of something to affect those close to you without affecting the whole room.

3. Tisha’s post near the top of this thread outlining a weeks test plan is most excellent.

4. Don’t be afraid of -none OD. Especially if you’re over 30. I finally started taking Gegogi’s advice and I love the tuth. It may take some getting use to but it’s great stuff. If you are hot tempered or deal with hot tempered people it makes sense to go slowly with it. I’ve had some occasions myself where I wondered why I was so edgy for no reason and then realized that it could be a self effect of -none. Don’t get me wrong, I believe that OD is a real phenomenon but I am saying that the benefits of learning to use -none products outweighs the risk of OD.

5. The “grapevine” is your friend. After using pheros for a while make sure you get in tune with what people are saying about you out of earshot. Mharris originated this thought in one of the oldest threads on this forum. It’s very important.

6. The effects of putatives and mx’s vary widely and take skill to decipher. That’s why they are experimental. I’ve got togo’s of p74, p79, and p83 sitting half used in the back of my phero drawer because I read about them ordered them and wasted them before I had a good idea of what I was doing. I’ll try them again someday after I no longer consider myself a newbie stupid or other wise. (credit Jasmin and others).

7. Pheromones should be part of an ongoing learning and self improving experience. They don’t work magically. “Instant anything” is like the musician who hones her playing ability, songwriting skills, stagecraft for years, then builds relationships with managers, booking agents and record labels for more years and then rockets to the top of charts with an overnight hit. Yep it was an instant success based on a lot of work.

Have fun.
If you think of something to add or find me in error please feel free.

[tisha23]

Newbie trick#4. Failure to own the signal.

Excellant post renny. I so agree with this for all the products. reps to you

Tisha

[renny]

It’s been over a month since I posted to this thread. Since I’ve been trying to add p79 to my consumer products though I thought maybe some observations about experimones might fit in here.

Once the store got back up and running I decided it would be good to try again with some of the putatives/experimones. I ordered some p79 25 mcg per spray 1 oz bottle. I had done a lot reading and had decided that p79 was a good place to start. The 25 mcg spray seemed to be middle range of what others used and I could experiment with diluting if it proved too much. (I had already tried togos of p74, p79, and p83 when I was starting, as I posted earlier it was a waste and I still had some of each left).
Using p79 on it’s own was not too difficult. It’s “amping” or as I think of it “speeding” or speeding up" effect was a little raw on it’s own as I expected a single phero to be. After a few days though I had pretty much figured out that my sweet spot was somewhere around 10-12 mcg. Good so far.

Time to add it to some others and see what happens. I like Instant Gentleman and Instant Openness 2 sprays of each as a light very casual mix that seems pretty harmless. It was working pretty good as a change up around my holiday shoppers, friendly and gabby. I added a 10 mcg spray of p79 and that harmless little mix turned some of my customers into a bunch of know it alls who had nothing better to do than to argue with me.
OK test it with just the IG… not bad but not very good for conversation and a little negative in that customers seemed a little hesitant to hang around. It seemed to “push” the respect side of IG at the expense of the friendly. P79 plus IO… oh yea, yakkity yak yak yak. I knew THAT was coming :o . You want someone to express their point of view-p79+IO is your mix! Put them together and it appears that people want to argue with you when in fact they are actually trying to impress you. Anyway for me in my shop, it was a net negative.

OK so what’s the newbie lesson here? The consumer products are finely tuned and adding a single experimone can knock out that balance. It isn’t necessarily bad but it can be unexpected. When you start experimenting with experimones+consumer products have a good understanding of what the consumer product does and mix the experimone with just one product at a time until you have an understanding of how it reacts with each one you want to use. Finally recognize that Androtics consumer products are well made and tweaking them might make them different but that doesn’t translate into improvement in the situation you’re in. You’ll also need time and opportunity to figure out what’s going on if the results don’t meet your expectations.

[renny]

As long as I keep screwing up I can keep on posting to this thread. What am I up to here Stupid Newbie Trick #6.

Waiting four months to try AMMO! Yeah, hows that for stupid!

OK, why didn’t I?

#1. I’m a snob… I like spicy woodsy mossy leathery colognes and AMMO is a modern scent. Well what do ya know, it’s a great modern scent. OK so there is a little musky melon thing going on in there, I can live with it.

#2. I thought it was “just for the young guys”. Oh boy was that stupid. When I put it on I feel LIKE one of the “young guys”. There’s a whole fun vibe going on that I haven’t gotten from anything else.

#3 I thought maybe it was like a phero mix with training wheels or something. Naw, this stuff has got every bit of the oomph I get from everything else of androtics I’ve tried. This is well made and it works.

What’s the lesson here? Buy ya some AMMO guys. It’s this guy in a bottle.

[bosshank]

Yer doin’ good renny. I am proud of ya. Keep it up.