Basically, I started seeing this girl. First of all I began using Ammo, before we met for the first time, she told me we’re not allowed to go on her bed. However, that soon changed and she ended up initiating a “make-out” session. The next time we met up, I used a spray of Turn up the Heat and some Ammo. She wanted to have sex we me so bad, but I wasn’t expecting it and didn’t bring any condoms so we were both frustrated!
We met up 7 or 8 more times. I went up to 3 sprays of TuTH and 3 of Ammo. Things in bed were incredible. We had sex 10-11 times in a 24 hour window and could’ve gone on for longer, but i had run out of condoms. In the morning she was saying how she wanted to take me all over the city to show me all these amazing places she loves. She also said she was going to hop on the e-pill when I go on vacation so that I don’t have to use condoms anymore.
However, yesterday i used Instant Openness for the first time, paired with ammo and tuth. She was incredibly distant and wasn’t acting herself. When we got in her bed she just wanted to sleep. In the morning she didn’t even want to hug me and barely said anything until I left. All I got was a hug and goodbye when I left. I usually get a long kiss + hug, etc.
Anyways, before I left in the morning I kinda opened up to her, told her I like her etc. I asked her how she felt, but she just hid under the covers and said “I dunno”. I just said “Just lemme know when you can”. Around an hour later she messaged me saying how she “doesn’t like me enough, doesn’t feel a connection and that she feels like a massive dick for the way she treated me that night.”
So after an incredible 3 months, everything suddenly ended. Going from “I’m hopping on the pill, i want to take you to all these places, blah blah” to “I don’t like you enough, don’t feel a connection” in time frame of 3 days. There obviously was a connection the previous nights. She was on her period a couple weeks ago so it’s definitely not that. I’m just incredibly confused.
Thoughts? (Serious answers only please. I’m devasted.)
More is not better with pheromones. Using to much can make people distant and tired. It can burn out the neurotransmitters which is probably why she was so sleepy.
Your using way to much anone for a 21 year old to. That can cause a ghosting effect. When you layer more then one product you need to adjust your dosage according to what the primaries are in each mix.
TUTH and ammo both contain anone. Ammo and IO both contain anol. To much anol can make a person feel confused and rather loopy.
Use just AMMO next time you see her and stop overwhelming her senses.
That’s sad to hear.
Not sure, but your phero mixes sound like they send a lot of sexual aggression which can work well for a period but if you were using this same type of mix every time you met(?) it could create problems longterm, atleast from my experience as it sends too much sexual aggression/expectations. When she says she wants to show you places and hang out with you, she is looking for a connection, things like Androstadienone & IH are good for that, also for fixing relationships. But on the other hand when you had it so incredible together, it doesn’t make sense..sometimes breakups can be hard to understand the reasons but it just feels wrong.
If you dont have any other mones, then 1 x Ammo + 2-3 x IH would be better than Ammo alone imo. Apply some of the IH to neck (hugs).
IH alone would be risky, with Ammo you have the erone in there which signals status/LTR material..If you could sneak ~30 mcg A1 in there..i think that would be golden. But overall i think it’s an improvement with only 1 x Ammo (less enone).
Edit: Tisha is right. Also in the morning the erone and a-nol would have worn off and you’d be wearing ~15 mcg unbuffered none, that would hide anyone under the covers. I think your girl is in the same position as you, not understanding what went wrong, confused..but also misses you.
Or try just IH. Perhaps she’ll admit exactly what she feels and why. I have had people admit the Lindbergh kidnapping and their smoking gun on the Grassy Knoll in Dealey Plaza. There’s a chance she’s already told you something she hadn’t intended or did something incongruous with her mental picture. Guilt. Buyer’s remorse. Something about this is not fitting her life plot for how the story should play out. Are you “it.” Long-term material. Has the B.C. Pill thrown off her chemistry? Find out what it is. Read more female erotica and maybe Jane Austen. She’s already probably telegraphed what’s on her mind, but you may have overlooked subtle clues. Oh, and you’re wearing 15 mcg of androstenone! You don’t understand that this much None is quite hard to buffer without maybe TAC and even then very hard. It sends practically a rapist signal. And having tested upwards 30 mcg of pure -eNone, the IJ store description is close to what 10 m c g does, even without any steering mones. Bonding and comfort. The sex will return if you keep the girl. IH, P74, TAC, IG and A314. Back off the f**king None for awhile.
Ah yeah, that’s probably true. I sprayed 1X Ammo on my neck, 1X IO on the back of my hands and 3X TuTH on my chest. I washed my hands once, so that’s the IO gone and I laid in her bed so the ammo must’ve rubbed off my neck. Also, I never took off my shirt so the none woudn’t have diffused much.
I’m pretty sure IO doesn’t work well with me. When I was at my parents place, my dad told me I smelt of cat urine! Guess I shouldn’t have experimented with it at her place.
So next time we meet up. Ammo and IH? I have some IG, should I use some of that as well?
I agree that was a pretty raw sexual/emotional burnout mix.
Some IH/IS would be a better substitution IMO and reduce the none - High none can work well when someone is already hot for you/emotionally flying but in the cold light of day, a none dose that put them in a “do-anything” mood earlier can make them uncomfortable, edgy and aggressive - often all at the same time!
I’d also tend to not be in any hurry to see/communicate with her in the meantime - “Absence makes the heart grow fonder” and all that!
And NEVER! EVER! NEVER! EVER! NEVER! Be the first to bring up feelings!!!
Men do that ALL THE TIME!!!
Write that down, and never forget it!!! LIFE is larger than an EGO, learn and watch how things work, not how you WANT THEM TO BE.
DO NOT! I repeat … DO NOT ASK HER FOR AN ANSWER LATER ON. LET IT RIDE, AND TRY YOUR BEST TO BE FUN AND ENJOY IT WITHOUT TURNING INTO A LOVE SICK PUPPY!!!
Now, carry on … SMARTLY!
You want answers, and be careful with what you wish for … use INSTANT HONESTY.
Well she replied saying “it’s best to wait until you’re back from vacation”, which I agree with now that I had the night to think things over. Should I reply now or just wait until I’m back from vacation in a couple weeks?
I feel like if I don’t reply, she’ll think I’m over her.
Yeah, I really didn’t want to ask, but I thought she was acting weird because I wasn’t asking her to commit.
It seems I miss-read all the signs:
When she was drunk on vacation, she SMS’d me “I LAV U” texts, with hearts, etc. - I heard when girls are drunk, they let out their real emotions.
The obvious: Having sex multiple times. - That tends to mean something?
On our 2nd date we had the “what are we talk” and she said something like “We’ll see on the 3rd date”.
Mentioning a guy she met in some store. She said she had to give him his number because he kept talking to her for like 10 mins. She showed me the texts he sent, but she didn’t reply and said she doesn’t know if she should - I thought she was trying to make me jealous so I’d ask her to commit.
I basically added them all up and thought she wanted me to initiate the “what are we” talk, which was evidently wrong!
But yeah, I guess I should focus on having fun with her and having sex!
YES … have FUN and let the chips fall where they may. Spending too much time trying to READ anything, is a waste of time. If the flow is going in the BEST DIRECTION, don’t mess it up by throwing something SERIOUS in there! If you’re GOOD at what you’re doing, and don’t forget to smack that rear every now and then, she’ll slip and tell you what she’s feeling. Ant it may very well be an INTENTIONAL SLIP.
How should I move on from here, now that I’m in this awkward position?
I do “like” her, but when I told her I like her, I think it sounded like I was crazy in love with her, which I’m not. Also, I wasn’t ready to have the “what are we talk”, I kinda forced myself to do it because I was reading those signs and didn’t want to lose her. How do I fix this?!
IF you’re asking me … I … say tie a string around you ding ding so its brain doesn’t clog the brain above your neck, sit back and wait. Should she call, and it sounds like she will, give your best I DIDN’T SAY ANYTHING performance and act like things are the way they were BEFORE you opened your BIG MOUTH! The hardest thing for a man to do is sit back and wait. Tis why you will find all over this forum, men coming up with perfect mixes/combos where the outcome is more than perfect, and they run back in here asking what they should add to make it better. I call that PENIS PANIC MODE, 'cause it happens ALL THE TIME. Perfect insert for ‘DON’T TRY TO FIX WHAT IS NOT BROKEN.’
And while I’m on the subject of MEN: Do her on the car, do her in the car, do her up against the tree, do her in the tree, and the VERY MOMENT SHE SAYS SHE’S YOUR GIRL, all that stops, and it’s bedroom ONLY. BIG MISTAKE!!! KEEP DOING IT HOW YOU WERE DOING IT, AND KEEP IT FUN. CHANGE UP THE STROKES AND POSITIONS, BUT WEAR THAT CAR SEAT OUT ONCE SHE BECOMES YOURS, FELLAS!!! MAKE HER SWING FROM THE TREE!!!
THE END.
P.S. WORD on the streets is that GOOD GUYS finish LAST. I don’t believe that for one second! WUSSIES finish last! GOOD GUYS who aren’t afraid to pull the hair and smack it from the back, gets a full course meal! And desert!!!
RELAX. It will be alright, even if you have scared her away. LIVE and LEARN is the process of LIFE. And it’s true … some do NOT learn.
And please don’t forget, should you reconnect, act like you never even asked, and don’t think and wonder yourself back out of the game.
And you didn’t get this from me, but I HEARD that doing her on top of the washing machine during the SPINNING CYCLE is one hell of a ride! (Her sitting on a towel or pillow, and you standing) Mum’s the word!!!
her: dunno like, I feel like there’s no proper connection or that I like you enough etc
I feel like a real dick after today though..
me: well last night felt kinda weird tbh, i felt like we connected really well the previous nights though. I guess it needs a lil bit more time, if you wanna give it another shot. I wouldn’t really judge it off last night though, you were tired as hell.
Few hours later
me: Alright, I have an idea. Come over tuesday evening. I’ll be 100% myself, you promise to be 100% yourself and we’ll see how it goes as one final attempt. If we don’t connect then no point in forcing it.
next day (monday)
her: just best to wait until after you go on vacation tbh
I really regret saying that last part.
We always communicate via fb messaging/SMS or in person.
