Helllo from Singapore

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A big hello to all,

I just bumped into this site by chance and to be honest, I found the concept of pheromones to be amazing. I read as much as I can about the information available on this forum and other websites and I still cannot believe!!

So, after 24hrs of rigorous research, I decided to give it a try.

About me - I am 28 M, I have a normal life, go to work, hangout with friends etc. (nothing very special about me)
I have always been shy in a social setting and would just talk to people within my friend circle. Lately a couple of months back, I meet this girl who lives in the same building as me. We meet at the shopping center near my place and since then we became friends. Lately we have been spending more time together and I have developed feelings for her. I have already told about my feelings for her but she put me in “just friends zone”. I was devastated. She still hangs out with me even after I told her about my feelings. According to her, since she doesn’t feel any passion with me. Although I do know that she frequently goes to nightclub and she did kiss a couple of times to random guys but she doesn’t feel anything when she is with me even in the nightclub.

So, I decided to get TUHT, because I already know her very well and I know that she is afraid of starting a relationship so she is stopping herself to get more intimate with me. I hope it really works just like others have shared their reviews.

Since this is my first time, I can’t wait to order, but it will really nice if I can get $25 gift certificate, so that I can order more :slight_smile:

Look forward to share what happens next.

Cheers,

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It will be really nice if you can manage to speed up the processing and deliver the order by tomorrow.

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Hi and welcome gkris. I could see TUTH POSSIBLY working out for you, though, JUST in case, I would also add IShine.

IShine can be used, if needed, to buffer the HORNY TUTH vibe. IShine, by itself gets me a comfortable to be with you vibe, and I find that is a good daily use mone product. APPLYING TUTH and finding out that it’s TOO sexual, I’ve used IShine to tone it down some.
Just in case TUTH gets you some weird, dirty looks from the gal… :slight_smile:

Do tell us what happened with your mones! :smiley:

1Alpha

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Thanks a lot 1Alpha. Since this is my first time, so I would first use 1 spray without any mix so that I don’t come across too aggressive and then if I find it working, then I would go for mixing.

I will definitely keep you posted but before that, I need my TUTH to arrive at my place :slight_smile:

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If she has no underlying sexual attraction to you, then using TUTH is very likely to backfire on you, possibly badly - she may well become fidgety and snappy with you as she can’t link any arousal directly to you.

So if you are going to use TUTH unmoderated, save it for a club or other more sexualised situation to begin with. For more general hanging-out/socialising, a more broad-based attractant like Ammo or Summer Ammo is a much better indicator of a social/sexy and interesting to know guy.

Instant Shine and IH could help you here - Together they provide good moderation for the TUTH, which will help engage her feelings across the board, which is a better way to promote attraction than just bludgoning her with TUTH or other overt none. The IS adds the feelgood layer, whilst IH promotes a deeper, more bonding connection and together, I have found them good for that “it was just meant to happen” moment.

Other combos that I’ve found good around Middle Eastern women are P75/MX297 for younger ones, and TUTH, IH/P74 for older. Also A314 and A314/IH/P74 - with TUTH or other overt none added-in as the interaction becomes more physical/sexual. The IH/P74 combo and A314 in mixes can also produce what is known as “fallout” which is where your subject develops a desire to be around and involved with you constantly and this can develop in a much more sexual direction with the right behaviours on your part. Again, very useful in friendzone situations but you do need to be much more up-front about your needs/desires if she is to stick around.

TUTH/MX297 has also got me out of the friendzone quite spectacularly on several occasions, although its not a mix for a shy guy - you need to be willing and able to throw yourself into having a very good time to help precipitate that “I’ve not felt like this about you before” moment.

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Hi Thanks,

Since I am very new to this so I prefer not to experiment with cocktails to begin with :slight_smile:
Just can anyone suggest what is the best one for say - going out for a walk, sitting next to each other (not facing each other but still separated by distance). I mean to reduce the physical distance, I am inclined to Ammo. Can anyone confirm this :slight_smile:

Thanks,

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Thanks a lot.

Since I am new to this, so I don’t want to start with a mix of cocktails. I have order TUTH but I am aware that I am only going to use it in a nightclub and specially when we had a couple of drinks together.

However, it will be really nice if someone can suggest something for me (check the intro) where I am going out with this girl in a normal setting like a park or a restaurant etc. to reduce the physical distance. I am more inclined for Ammo but just need to confirm in case if I am missing something.
(PS- In terms of communication, we are pretty good. When we meet, we spend hours together and we share everything (including very personal details of our life and families) so Instant shine, IH, or Instant openess is not something I would need I guess. )

Thanks,

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Yes, you have the right Idea with AMMO. I would suggest it along with IShine for daily wear. Mobo has tonnes of experience with mones and his suggestions are excellent once you start looking at the experimones, the experimental line of P’s and MX’s.

1Alpha

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Yes, Ammo or Summer Ammo is exactly what you want here.

Summer Ammo is a more chilled-out and relaxed mix due to its two extra mones but you can effectively increase its sexuality by using an equal amount of TUTH to raise its Androstenone proportion - A useful tactic in your 30s.

The other mones in either version will still provide good moderation, making it more widely usable and you cn add-in the TUTH when you moce to a more sexual situation - eg from a meal to a club. I work this way a lot. :slight_smile:

Don’t rule-out IH/IS - even though you communicate well, its closeness, trust and bonding properties are very, very useful when moving from one state to another with someone.

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Ok this is creepy and may be it has nothing to do with mones. My mones (TUTH) is on the way and I am still waiting for it to arrive. Meanwhile somethings happened between us I am just more confused that whether I should use TUHT or not.

So it starts with 2 days back, we went for a walk. I again expressed how I feel for her and she told me that she doesn’t feel the kind of passion that must be in a relationship so she wants to keep me as “friend”. I said I cannot be. She said if I don’t stop hitting on her, she will stop meeting me. But I continue texting her, flirting with her (which she smiles) but she won’t let me hold her hand or touch her from back. But she is ok to walk with me in the park alone even at 11 in the night. Is she crazy or what!!

Now fast forward it to yesterday, she never replied to the mesg I sent her in the morning. Although she sent me 5/6 messages back-to-back past midnight. She took shower and told me that she has difficulty sleeping (because of her irregular work schedule) so she asked me if I have sleeping pills. I said yes I have and I went to her place to give the pills and she invited me in. She was alone and we started talking, she asked me if I would like to watch a movie. We started watching the movie. I was on her bed along with her. But the moment I got close, she snapped up and told me this is the limit. And then she put pillows between us. So there was a gap between us. Although we still continued to talk. In fact she asked me when was the first time I watched porn and many things along the same line while we had this “safe distance”

Suddenly after a time, she said now I am sleep, so I got up and gave a side kiss to her on the check and came back :frowning:

There is no way she is letting me touch her and I think she knew well in advance that I am going to touch her.
Now is there any mone that would break this barrier. Or this is some kind of a mind game. Please help. I am lost

Thanks,

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Hi,

to me it looks like you’re in the friend zone because you are the “nice guy” - a classical lack of attraction and an overkill on rapport.
First let me tell you, many women go to nightclubs to let the inner hooker out and just get to kiss guys or more. But taking her to the nightclub doesnt change a thing since she knew you already. But if you had fun - alright :slight_smile:
Next thing is that you seem a bit needy and desperate. You should stop texting her so much, be a bit busy and meet others. When youre together with her, show her that youve got options - you can, in fact, be romantic, but instead of just confessing some feelings you should compliment her in a way that she knows she’s being hit on.
My oppinion so far: I don’t find it alright that she keeps meeting you because pretty sure she knows what you’re going through if the contact isn’t cut.
I haven’t met you but you should be passionate and confident around her :slight_smile: Being too nice sends you to the friend zone. I really hope you get the issues resolved, however Tuth won’t help with that - I’d use Ammo, in fact Ammo seems to be exactly what you need. If you use Tuth she might see you as a creep. An overt sexual aura when she isn’t attracted to you isn’t good.

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As far as I know I was put in friend zone for sometime and I agree to what you say. But the last 2 days were really creepy. No matter how much comfortable she is with me why would she invite me late in the night to her place and watch movie in her night dress and talk about porn and when I touch her she turn away. This gives a very confusing signal. I had lot of female friends in the past who were super comfortable with me but none would go to this level. This is surely not something I would define as “friendship” but your opinions are welcome.

I know a part of this problem and where this is coming from. When we started off, we went to a pool party together and we became extremely close. She didn’t bring her friends along because the idea was to hook up with me.
She holded hands with me, walking along a lonely stretch of road together. We swimmed together. But I know I lost her that day in nightclub because somehow there were just to many people and I was feeling a bit weird as I never felt like this before with any other girl so that’s why I could not dance passionately which she misunderstood as my lack of attraction for her. I will definitely make that up for my past mistakes the next time we go to the club (which is this week!!)

As far as she is concerned, I am totally sure that she is aware of how I feel.

Can you explain more - what do you mean by this - do you mean kissing her on the check, holding her hands even if she says she doesn’t want the physical intimacy?

Thanks,

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Huge jangling alarm bells here!

That old Scottish phrase - she won’t shit or get off the pot," comes to mind!

She does like you and there may be some underlying attraction but she knows she has you exactly where she wants you and is happy and able to take all the attention, adulation, comfort and validation you can give her, whilst safely knowing she can give nothing in return - other than to tease you a little by giving-out mixed messages that may or may not hint at slightly more. Its the classic unequal relationship and maybe a bit of a power trip via emotional blackmail for her.

You need to step-out and reassert yourself and your needs around her and yes, I agree with a lot of Mysterion’s post - You need to stop pressing your feelings on her, stop pushing for a relationship, stop being utterly at her beck and call (esp the texts), stop being her emotional pillow/lapdog and explore other options - especially in ways she can see you. That may help raise her interest and have her competing more meaningfully for her attention. It now needs you to take the initiative by seeing far less of her because this is a place you don’t want to be - And yes, this is a risk but it needs to be one you must demonstrate you are willing to take.

A strongly sexual phero will not do a lot to help you here, yet anyway Ammo or some other social moderation for the TUTH or even a status product like A314 will help raise your status/value in her eyes and only introduce an overt sexual once you have stepped back, waited a while and re-engaged with her with a radically repositioned attitude.

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woohoo singapore

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Hi again,
it’s simple: women love submessages. In fact, if you say something trivial, they might see an unintentional submessage in our simple statements :smiley:
A good example is the classical “let’s go for a coffee”; if you ask her to “go on a date” with you, she might not drop her guards and might reject you. Even though she exactly understands what “a coffee” means (given your paralinguistics and the situation are right), she will be pulled more towards yes. It’s kind of “subliminal but direct”. A more extreme example is the (after a date) “wanna go home with me? I got x and y to show you…it’s amazing!”. She will so know that sex is on…but all the pressure of saying yes to sex is taken off her; you are the bad guy and “just did it and she was overwhelmed”. That’s a basic work-around principle for the shields of females…They don’t want to be seen as easy and slutty, although in my oppinion these words don’t exist, it is burnt into their subconsciousness. So remember that.
Now those were just examples. I’m not asking you to ask her for sex yet :wink:

When I go direct, I give a compliment. I usually compliment their looks genuinely; if your paralinguistics and the words themselves go well together you will deliver the message that you feel attracted to her and that a flirt is on. Even if you know her for a while you can still come up with something; since you know each other already, you can also add some light touching IF YOU WISH to do so. If you do it but it’s not genuine it will backfire.
I suggest that you just flirt for a while after you gave the message; remember that you seem to have a good connection (rapport) with her, you will want attraction. The spark for attraction is mainly passion, dedication, confidence and just standing your own ground…looks matter a bit as well but don’t worry about if you’re not a 10. I’m perhaps a 5 and was surprised how little looks matter.

Wish you the best man
But if you notice shes just bitching and playing with your feelings, then sorry man, get the fk away from her.

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Welcome Gkris,

Your thread really did generate a lot of discussion and debate.

You sure know how to stir things up

Maybe you can go to the men and female section and stir up the waters there

J/k

Your gc was issued!

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Hi,

I just received my parcel (TUHT) today!!
I have a quick question - I also received P130 along with it (very small bottle).
I searched about it and I found very varying answers for this. I figured out some common reports that were discussed in this forum (assuming that the reports are correct).

If someone could confirm these -

  1. P130 - it’s a social mone and it effects more you than people around.
  2. You become relaxed and stop caring about the surroundings - so does this mean that if you are in a nightclub then you get so relaxed that you just stop caring about your partner. I think it will end up in a disaster
  3. Does this have an equal effect on females as in males -for example - if you female partner smells - will she also become relaxed?
  4. What is the appropriate amount to be used - 2 sprays or 3?
  5. Where to use - wrist or neck? Please don’t say both - I don’t want to overload myself.
  6. Everyone suggested to use Ammo instead of TUHT but since my Ammo is still on its way, I was wondering if its possible to use P130 with TUHT? Somewhere I read that P130 along with TUHT would backfire. So if I apply TUHT, have drinks and go to a nightclub - TUHT and P130 would give a opposing reaction (TUHT-aggresive and P130 - relaxed)
  7. Can I take chance of using P130 early -say for first couple of hours and then use TUHT? Will the effect of P130 be gone by 2 hours?

Please add more suggestions if you have.

Thanks,

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Well, those Putatives, such as P130, are for you to test out and report on the forum what they did FOR YOU. I’ve used P’s that have some reports of a reaction, such as relaxed and not caring about your surrounding, but HAVE THE OPPOSITE effect on me. So, I would not take too much stock in those reports until you’ve tested the P130 out for yourself and seen what it does in YOUR situation with YOU and those around you.
I would NOT use a P to a situation where are VERY interested in a positive result. Testing it is MOST important in a situation where you can just take it slow and not really care if the effects are positive or negative.

1Alpha

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Hi Mobocaster,

Can you please delete my part where you quoted me.

Thanks

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Ok, this is probably going to be my last post on this forum. Before I give the details, I want you guys to know that I broke up with this girl and it was a very miserable break-up

Here is a step-by-step detail I am providing just because I received $25 gift certificate so in a way to contribute for that although I used on P130 and not TUHT. Even my Ammo is still on its a way and I don’t know if I will ever use it.

  1. Receive package of TUHT and P130
  2. Looked for P130 on forum reviews. All mixed reviews. Discouraged by members in my situation because of its uncertainity. So I tried it on myself on day 1 - It was more like a dope/weed or spacecake (if you have been to Amsterdam) without the smell or anything that lets others know that you are high. Note - I tested only P130
    I could only see effect on myself. I was high without others noticing it. I could see the small details which otherwise I would miss. But just as being high, I was talking a lot and smiling to people who I never smiled before in ages and they were returning smile. The guy in the grocery store, the lady in the cake shop. All of them

Day 2 - We planned to go out clubbing. Before going, I told her in the evening I got an expensive whiskey. And suddenly she reacted negative. She said she doesn’t want to drink whiskey, she gets drunk with that. She would wait for me in the club, I can drink outside and get in. In fact at one point she even cancelled the program saying she is tired. In fact she even denied to come to the club from my place together even when we are neighbors.
In the afternoon, I spray 2 P130 behind my ear lobes while at work and I was having a good time. No effect on others. So after having dinner with my friends in the night(after 10pm), I again sprayed 1 shot of P130 on my wrist before I started for the club.

She reached early and went in with her friend whom she tagged along because somehow she was not comfortable with the idea of being drunk (I came to know about this later - hindsight bias)
She came out of the club to look for me twice but I was super late and when reached club while she and her friend were already inside. I asked her to come out. She said I don’t want drink that whiskey and neither I want to drink outside. You can finish your drink and come in.
I don’t know if it was my ego or P130, I was pissed off - i said I will have my drinks here and then I will go back. You enjoy with your friend. She came out with her friend and she told me she is leaving the club. There were tears in her eyes. Her friend (another lady) was trying to console her.
She told me clearly, drinking outside was never part of plan but she had other plans inside the club.

She didn’t cry loudly but she kept wiping of the tears. I felt like a dick all this time. I trashed my whiskey. We took the train back. Her friend had to go to another place so she was understanding enough to leave the train at next station. I told her I want to talk to her. She didn’t let me touch her. She reacted violently. She told me, don’t come near me. Talk from a distance. Anyways, I wanted to make it up to her for being such a dick. So I convinced her to take a walk outside. While walking we couldn’t find a place to sit so I took a cab to another places which is full of clubs - and she was no way, not going there and I told her, we are not in a mood to party any more, will have just beer outside. Managed to convince and and we went.

All along the way and even after reaching that place which is along a wonderful water body (quiet pleasing and popular), she kept on insisting that she is not angry with me because she didn’t expect anything from me. And she is not hurt and I keep saying sorry just to make her feel that she is hurt and that is not the case. She kept on bull shitting about us being “good friends” and since she has no feelings for me so she is hurt. This is were our fight escalated. I had enough of the “friend” bullshit. I started bringing back from the past the intimate time we spend together even though it was less physical. I told her, would you ever share such personal details of your life with a “friend” and it just became ugly and uglier. She started defending herself saying she is always warm and friendly and people mistake it as a wrong signal just as I did. And that I am very narrow-minded etc.
I yelled at her and called names. She screamed as well and said I am sick. She ran away from me and took a cab and told the driver not allow me in the cab. I took another cab and went back.

When I reached home, I called my friend to come as I was feeling devastated. He knows everything about us since the beginning. And he told me something that makes me more depressed, yesterday was 13th Feb so in the nightclub at midnight - valentines day (14th) would be celebrated. She herself wanted to take our relationship to this new level so that’s why she planned it on 13th night. And off course drinking outside the club is a hippie thing which you do with friends and she had elegant plans for a special moment which I spoiled.

I read somewhere that you guys are looking for stand-alone P130 experience, so even if I lost everything - 3 months of time/energy/money.
I am still writing my experience with P130 for you all.

I lost someone who really cared for me and there is no way I can convince her that yesterday it was not me. She believes that this is my real face and that’s over. I am not sure if there any way to get her back because she is not even technically my ex. I was put into friend zone permanently from yesterday. I message her again saying sorry but she never returned a reply. I don’t expect anything either. I was dick and I deserve this.

The best thing to do now is to forget her and move on. But still, I would appreciate a female perspective on this.

Thanks,