High school senior seeing little from PUA and pheromones: is it worth continuing?

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LTD I agree - More phero’s aren’t really what you need right now

If I could elaborate for Milto:

“Not giving a fuck” means being non-reactive. It means being rejected and not taking it as a personal insult. It means being so confident in your own skin that you realize that other peoples judgements of you are not an indication of your self-worth.

Not giving a fuck means living life on your own terms, in your own way. Not supplicating to other people in order to be liked AND not pushing people away (or avoiding them) to avoid being hurt.

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Great advice here.

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Is this also the reason why you are interested in the military? Because you feel you need to rebel because you feel you’re no use to the ladies, so possibly you may feel you’re of better use in the military? Not trying to say this is fact, maybe you do want to join th military. However, reason I ask is because I had a friend who also did the same thing. He wanted to join the military because he was depressed because of lack of success with the ladies.

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Exactly!

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I wouldn’t go so far as to say Bipolar… his posts fit the perfect description of your typical highschool kid with bad self-confidence.

I do agree that his problems are deeper than women - it is just that he has pegged his confidence post on being good with women… he is trying to derive his self-worth from validation by women. You’d be amazed at how many men do it and end up in DEEP, deep ruts because of it.

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yup, that’s one of the reasons why i stopped using ross jeffries products…it all focuses on getting laid, not improving the self. the newer pua stuff is way better because it focuses on changing yourself to have a better life.

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Nice Advice guys.

I am not feerful of the ladies, but I will call them out on being a bitch in a funny way.

ie.

Jeez Katie, you are such a bitch, I bet noone ever wants to give you things or take you out, you know… Damn it woman… What are you doing Friday night? yea seriously… what are you doing friday?

her: “Going out with some hot got! you ass”

me: “Good Then, write your number down here! With this pen! and I will pick you up around 7.”

her: “Fine then!, I guess I’dd have my nails done to while I’m at it, but your a prick and might not even notice”

me: “I would notice if you stopped wearing those short skirts that i love because they show your sexy legs”

her: “Fine then, I will wear that skirt, just to keep your eyes off my tits!”

me: “Great, thanks for making it that much harder to not take you home, and give you the pleasure of having an orgasm. You are going to kill me with your insatiable appetite!”

her: “Hope you can keep up”

me: “And you better not Order a fucking Salad!”

her: “ahhh I see what you did there… nice try”

me: “ah well.. Friday @7 Insert hand sign to her DJ OUT!”

And Scene…

Something like that did happen, people were watching and passing one guy was like… dude… …damn…

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This is another reason why I say “don’t give a fuck.” However, Wrlp explained it a lot better. See, Dj right here has success with the ladies because he acts like he doesn’t care, or in another way I guess you could say a jerk. Sorry Deej, but it’s true (not saying that you are truly a jerk though.)

Take what he wrote down, or what he told that girl if it is fact and he actually said that. Sad to say, but sometimes girls dig jerks. Hell, it’s even the reason why IJ was invented (not saying you need IJ though because I think you need a lot more help than what pheromones can do.) Girls sometimes just like that Alpha “who cares” mood, or that “I’m just in it for my own pleasure/satisfaction” mood. So obviously if you walk with your head down, or are always down and impatient like you possibly feel now girls are no doubt going to tell that you’re giving off that negative vibe, and possibly even be turned off by it. It’s sad but true, although there ARE some girls who do like emotional guys. Thing is they’re harder to find, especially in High School where the majority of guys are Alpha jerks and the girls are more used to those kind of guys because they make up the majority, and absorb most of the attention grabbing leaving you with more work to do.

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I think I may have been little too open on this forum. Well thanks Wrlprchnx for giving me the definition of not giving a fuck. How do I apply it now?

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What are friends for, otherwise??:roll_eyes:

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LOL Mikoto… Oh I told her… and she got the Silence stick… well rather the “BOOM STICK” if you catch the Doom II reference LOL

But yea… you have to guage the way you talk to some ladies…

Like tonight I went to the bar for a quick drink, I got 2 Gin & Tonics, $10 gave 20%, and talked to the bartender she was nice, we talked about odd stuff origins of gin and tonic, I said “hey can I get some matches please” in kind of a demanding tone…

She said “Here…prick”

I said “See, now there is that CAN DO attitude I love so much about you, you better stop that, you may get a rise out of me…”

She loved it, but it was a play on the situation showing intellect as well as well being a bit of a jerk but finding humor in it on both parts…

Gotta lighten up dude… life sucks… just don’t sit on the devil’s lap… no great rewards there…

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DEFINITELY, you really can’t do that with ALL ladies. I think it takes a well trained eye to gauge which type of girls you can say that to, which I’m sure you probably already have that down. For example, you’re a College dude, so I’m sure most of the girls you see around there (especially at College parties and games) are the kind that you can get away with saying that.

To give LTD an example Deej, how do you know (what kind of signs do you look for) to go ahead and give the target girl that way of speaking? For example what I would look for are signs of typical Alpha girl traits, loud talking/way of speaking, and sometimes even way of dressing. Of course, it’s always not that easy, all girls aren’t alike so a girl that may seem Alpha may still be sensitive to that way of speaking. It’s hard.

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LTD, I know what you goin through cause Im a senior in high school. Through it all there are some certain things I’ve learned about high school.

  1. You can’t win 'em all. No matter how hard you try to be nice with people and show yourself friendly, there will always be people who don’t like you for who you are. Those people have low self-esteem and will take many years for them to mature from it, IF they do.

2.Girls in high school don’t know what they want: Now Im not saying this goes for every girl, but majority of the time girls will say one thing to you and they really mean another. Once high school is said and done, most girls will now come to grips that being a good gentleman (not the nice guy) is not something that should be overlooked. Trust me I know some girls who are currently in college and if it weren’t for the fact that I’m 17, I could easily have a girlfriend right now.

  1. Don’t let anyone use you as a tool. You can easily tell in high school when a girl is just using you to bypass time or to catch someone else’s eye. When push comes to shoves, severe any contacts with that person. They will only make things worse for you.

  2. Get involved in activities that is something YOU want to do, not to impress others. I play football for my high school, from offensive line to defensive line, and let me say that unless you a future Dwight Freeney or Lamarr Woodley, you aint gettin no love with the ladies. To me, thats perfectly fine because I rather be the guy who’s under the radar but gets the job done than to be the guy who’s only in the activity to become the star of the show and become popular.

So have faith and keep moving forward, because life is to short to bypass on the great opportunities out there.

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dude, women are confused at all ages…why do you think 20 year olds are going to hookers nowadays?

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dude… don’t be too serious about it. because getting a girl is like buying a good pair of jeans… well, that’s not exactly the idea, but talking to girls are not hard… if you think that way, then it will be more difficult.

For me.. im a humorous person, therefore people enjoy talking/being around me. And i don’t normally wear pheros at all times, just when i go out to club or party.

I think of phero as a trophy. Make you feel confident and dominate anything. Plus little bit of alcohol does the trick. Enough said, don’t try be someone else… just keep working on your games, go out, hang out with friends and talk about girls. And when talking to girls, talk about clothes, tv shows, movies, something that they might enjoy talking about.

hope that helps.

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Regarding the whole Pua thing. When you say school that kinda sets off a red light for me. You have to understand the whole dynamic to be truly successful.

Study Body language, Train your voice and start properly working out. The book body by science will get you on the right path.

Women are pretty easily attainable once you understand the individual components of attraction. You need to Study Up, talk to women, enhance your body. There is no shortcut.

I also think you have to look at confidence in a new way. The whole lets believe in ourselves and we will succeed thing has to go. You should be thinking in terms of, I need to learn this so I’m better at this.

I’m an aspiring fashion designer at FIT and I see other designers wrongfully using “confidence” to create garments that would be better suited for halloween then the runway. If they thought about the shape, form, the model who would be wearing the garment, it would come out less :open_mouth:.

I guess what I’m trying to say is just talking to women won’t help to much by itself without a constant analysis of why your doing it and what is working.

Put a much greater emphasis on the scientific method. Whenever you can look up new studies on psychology, body language, persuasion, attraction etc.

I hope I’m not coming off as a know it all, because I freely admit that I know nothing :wink:

P.S Complaining about women and taking a pessimistic stance on them WILL harm you in the long run. Think of it like this. You are bettering yourself so you can offer the women what she wants. You both win in the end.

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I also think you have to look at confidence in a new way. The whole lets believe in ourselves and we will succeed thing has to go.

You should be thinking in terms of, I need to learn this so I’m better at this.

I’m an aspiring fashion designer at FIT and I see other designers wrongfully using “confidence” to create garments that would be better suited for halloween then the runway.

If they thought about the shape, form the model who would be wearing the garment it would come out less :open_mouth:.

I guess what I’m trying to say is just talking to women won’t help to much by itself without a constant analysis of why your doing it and what is working.

Put a much greater emphasis on the scientific method. Whenever you can look up new studies on psychology, body language, persuasion, attraction etc.

I hope I’m not coming off as a know it all, because I freely admit that I know nothing :wink:

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LTD, I’m also a senior in high school. A lot of the stuff you said resonates in my experiences and I could write pages and pages of advice for you, but A. I have school in 6 hours and I need sleep 2. A lot of it is personal to my experience and may not apply in your life and 4. everything that helped me can be found in Real Social Dynamics: The Blueprint Decoded.

Trust. That program is the shit. It’s helped me TREMENDOUSLY more than any other pua product because it’s focused on inner/natural game and seeing the world as it really is instead of how you see it now. My suggestion is get it and TAKE NOTES. Emphasis on notes. It will help you learn it and you need to read over it after because it’s alot of information. I’m only 10 dvds in out of 20. PM me if you want to know how to get it or if you want me to send you my notes once i finish the program. DON’T GIVE UP MAN I’m glad I didn’t and you’re gonna thank all these people in a couple months when you’re pulling chicks left and right. :smiley:

Clone out

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just checked it out seems really cool, but jeez it’s expensive 600 bucks? even ross jeffries would say dam to that.

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LTD the easiest way to start “not giving a fuck” in a positive way is to find your passion.

Find the things that REALLY make you happy in life and do them. Don’t lie to yourself, do NOT go out doing things because you think they should make you happy.

Right now trying to get a girlfriend is causing you a hell of a lot of stress - Stop trying, stop pushing so hard for something when all it is doing is causing you suffering.

Think honestly about how you spend your time outside of School - your hobbies. Are you doing them because you think you should be, or because you love doing them?

BE HONEST WITH YOURSELF - if you are just playing Tennis because your parents expect you to, not because you are passionate about playing the game… STOP PLAYING.

Find the things that you passionately want to do and do them passionately. Say you love playing guitar, when you play it is what makes you happiest… well play guitar, practice your ass off, join a band…

It is a funny thing when you are with someone who is doing something that truly makes them happy… they get this electric energy about them that people just seem to love being around. They also end up not “giving a fuck” because it doesn’t matter what other people think, they love what they are doing and that is all that matters.

Last summer I started playing Ultimate frisbee - turns out that I REALLY like playing Ultimate frisbee and it shows when I play. I’ve had people (guys and girls) come up to me after a game and tell me that they really enjoyed watching me play.
My passion has helped me make new friends in a city where it is ridiculously hard to make new friends and I already had an LTR so dating wasn’t an issue… but I’m pretty sure I would have ended having at least a date or two as well.