great advice..as for some of those pick up lines they seem too risky for me!especialy if im at work, i work in a hospital so i cant use them there 
id be in major trouble if i tried something like that . i heard one pickup line somewhere that was kinda funny to me so ill share it..me..“hey can i take your picture” her..why? “well id like santa claus to know exactly what i want for christmas!” forgot where i heard that one but it made me laugh so i thought id post it LOL.. anybody else have any more less obscene ones? looking for some i can use at my job ,and out too thanks!!
I never understand these guys who are so afraid to just tell her what they want… what, are you afraid you’ll lose her? lol If you don’t tell her the truth, you’ll lose her even faster… and let’s face it… statistically, you’re gonna lose her anyway. So you have what to lose by just being honest? lol Just chill, be honest, and have an attitude that it’s better to be honest and get what you really want.
My advice doesn’t apply to pick-up lines though. I’m talking about stuff after you meet her.
Yea I know this is not useful during pickups lol, however it is essential after you have gone to know the girl for a little while
Not very long at all, really… just not when you just met her. You want to communicate your unfitness for the “friend zone” out of the gate in other more subtle ways to begin with, such as eye contact that says “I am more than slightly attracted to you”, and perhaps touching that isn’t “friendly” but isn’t sexual harassment, either. lol You get the point.
Some guys do really well by just being shoot-you-in-the-face blunt and obvious, and some do well being more subtle, but you need to know she’s going to categorize you within a few seconds of meeting you. It’s up to you to do your own thing and either make her change your classification, or show her that she got it right.
That’s funny, but I’m not so sure it would work for you… You would be putting her on a pedestal in a way. But what do I know.
But at least she would know for sure that you want to be more than just friends… 
I have turned a year-long friend into a lover. You have to be willing to risk losing the friendship. I was a sucker. Doing things for her - driving her places several times a week, doing favors, buying things…Finally I just told her, look I don’t do these things for friends. If you want to be friends, then we really be friends - no more of of those boyfriend/lover favors. Communicate that things are going to change if you she is not both a lover and a friend. She’ll think about for a day or two. Then she’ll either turn into a lover for you OR stop being friends (and yes this is scary if you have already put in a year of friendship but you must risk it). This is what worked for me. The thing is, however, now it’s a friend with benefits things and I have to decide if I want that. At times, I just feel like I manipulated her into being a lover; that she doesn’t really want me. Perhaps turning a friend into a lover is not a good thing. Life is not black and white..By the way, the turning point from friend to lover came when I started wearing pheromones.
Giants52000,
You won a low percentage game, congrats. Pheromones can help in that situation where the divide between friends and something more is just a matter of a few degrees.
There are girls I like, but I am just not attracted to them. It’s not a shallow thing to not be attracted to someone, so it may be that you tipped the scales in your favor, all or in part due to pheromones.
Whatever happens, good luck.
For what it’s worth, I have never been able to convert a “friend” to a “lover”.
Basically if the sex is going to happen ever, it has happened during the first few meetings/dates.
But then again, I think the dynamics of male-female interactions are a little bit different in the States than here in Finland and Europe. Maybe. (Based on the assumption that Americans are more conservative and Europeans more liberal in general.)
My distractant started out putting me in the friend zone. Then I asked her to model for me, and she laughed me off, thinking I was trying to just get in her pants. When I made her understand that I wanted shots for my portfolio, and for practice, and nudity was entirely unnecessary, she agreed. During that shoot, she got to know me a little better and did a complete 180 because of the fact that I was displaying traits she (and most other women) found attractive: I was having fun with her without expectations, but I was decisive about what I wanted and wasn’t afraid to say it, and when she came onto me I turned her down because I was unwilling to cheat (and I said so).
She decided that she was so impressed by that that two years later, when I became single, she was sure to place herself next in line… and we became a major romance with insanely good sex. It didn’t hurt that we have always had an insane sexual magnetism, but the point is that I took myself out of the friend zone by forcing her to re-classify me through my attitude and actions. Basically, she builds her understanding of you based on how you act… so in effect, you are responsible for telling her how to classify you. And if you don’t want friend zone, it becomes very much an all or nothing situation in most cases. You have to be willing to lose her to have her.
Giants, however, seems to have discovered what happens when you try to break out of the friend zone after a long time as friends: you end up being friends with benefits sometimes. That’s why it’s important to do it right off the bat. Mine worked because I did not see her again after the shoot for almost those entire two years; no chance to set into stone the friendship part.
On the other hand… if the romantic/sexual attraction is favored by your personality types meshing that way, it will be much easier than if it’s a neutral or negative reaction based on that specific point.
women tend to play games with me and never realy want more than friendship..im tired of trying to impress them and spending time and money ,it seems all my effort dousnt work. why i like women when they seem to treat me this way i wonder sometimes . im not saying all women are bad or anything its just frustrating when im ignored except being nothing more than that nice guy who talks to them people can be cruel if they dont like you and ive noticed sometimes other guys just have all the luck, you know those playboy types! i dont want to change and be that jerk women like just to get them to like me thats just not me. im not looking for one night stands im too old for that. im looking for an honest kind women but they are hard to find .women these days play too many games and i try and play games back and that dousnt work either.i feel like im doomed to lonelyness anyone else feel that way also?
I may be younger than you, but I feel your pain on this matter. Although Im a big athletic dude, Im generally categorized as a nice guy (due to my upbringings). For me, I have no problem with it because its the way I am. My brother once gave me some advice saying, “For every girl that rejects you, there are two more out there who would fight just to have you to themselves, but you have to find them.” And to this day, his advice is starting to hold true because every interaction I have with girls around my age, my chances keep growing. But the important part about this is putting effort into every interaction. I like catlord’s advice on putting your intentions out there in the first place because even if you do get rejected, you were confident enough to let them know that you have no interests in being just friends. The key is to be upfront and to show that you’re not afraid to lay down your own rules. The best part about this, you can still be the nice guy while displaying this characteristic. In fact, this works in your favor. So keep your head up high and have fun out there .
i hear you, my opinion is women are drawn to jerks, i also think the way alot of these guys act while picking up or chasing these women is different to the way they would act around their parents at home and or their girlfreinds, they can still treat the girl bad while out in public which is what most people would see but be nice alone
Phantom777,
Don’t be friends with women you just met if you want more than that. Don’t be the guy that holds out hope that things will change. If they talk about not wanting to lead you on, or any LJBF speak, then move on.
If this is happening to you as much as you say, something has to change to be successful. What kind of women are you chasing after? Maybe that has to change. Maybe you are after girls that simply can’t see you as a boyfriend but they can see you as a brother. Maybe you are out of shape and as such they don’t see you in the romantic way? Look at it like this: Take your attributes and put them on an imaginary counterpart. Would you be attracted to a female if she shared your attributes?
I mentioned a friend before on the forum that has an odd way of looking at himself in relation to the woman he wants. He’ll talk to the most attractive women anywhere, but he never gets far, as he’s odd. It’s not that he can’t dress, but he has trouble putting things together and he looks.. off. He doesn’t take care of himself, he never does any exercise (thought he used to be in great shape), he has a protruding round belly and almost looks pregnant. He is prone to cutting his hair in between haircuts, his grooming style needs work and when this is pointed out to him, he gives any number of responses, the one that made me laugh was that a girl should like him for who he is. I laugh, as he has a list of ideals for a women that he’ll deem “acceptable” before he would even be interested. So much for the liking him(or her) for who he is. I pointed out that he can’t meet his own standards!
To a much smaller and less insane degree, people do this. I think that the greater degree to which people act in this way, the less likely they will be in attracting their target segment. I am a percentages guy and if you are chasing the hottest girls and they are really out of your league, you’ll likely be frustrated and unsuccessful. What has to change is to be in the same league. You be more realistic about girls you chase or raise your status. Fitness is an easy answer, fashion is another, self-improvement is a wide open area for you to explore. You can be yourself, just a more fit, better dressed more socially skilled you.
I’m not one to say you can’t be successful with the women you are attracted to, but in a sense, it is a transaction. What are you going to give to be attractive to that person? Eating right and exercising daily? Finding your style and dressing better? Improving yourself in some way, maybe, an interesting hobby, improved conversational skills (or the like), a better career? While you might do this to attract someone, I would hope that anyone serious about these types of changes would do it mostly for themselves.
One girl that I am spending time with has a lot going for her in her work and personal life, she is talented, well read, artistic and plays 2 instruments. She has a good job is educated, she is very attractive and looks great in a bikini. She BUSTS HER ASS to be able to do all of that. You might look at her and check out her ass and think, “She’s hot”. Yep, she is, but she’s up at 5:30 4-5 days a week to go to yoga before work. She practices her instruments weekly. She put herself through school, got a great job and is always looking to advance, as long as it makes her happier. Do you think that she might be attracted to someone that has some commonality with her?
There are always exceptions in life, but I don’t like those low odds. Especially when anyone reading this can choose to make the choices that will allow the realization of their goals.