Thank you. I will probably order with the musk and without to see the differences. I was also considering Tom Ford Tobacco Vanille anyways. So that would actually work out either way. A question I do have, how did you decide on how much of the oil to use? It appears you have 50% oil, 16% alcohol and 33% pheros in the mix you made. Would you adjust oil up or down in any way?
Product name,scent and strength
My own oil based ICM 1.25.1b Based on Steve’s ICM mix (6% Akuto scented in DPG with Natural Plant Musks from Androtics)
Application dosage and locations
1 drop to the front of neck
1 drop split between the tops of the hands
Covered with CB I Hate Perfume- Gathering Apples absolute (odd choice but I really like the smell as did others)
Enviroment tested in.
Book store/coffee shop
Self effects.
A sense of ‘Wow, this is strong!’ that died down within about 5 minutes to a feeling of happiness, optimism, masculinity. I also felt like I needed to stand up straighter. I didn’t put this into yesterdays test but I applied it right before leaving the house and on the ~15-20 minute drive I felt myself saying, ‘I feel really good!’ I was in a very happy mood, literally grinning while driving. I’d had this self effect yesterday but I didn’t want to be grinning like an idiot in front of my GF.
Effects to others
The crew from my MX114 test was working the counter at the coffee shop and even though I haven’t been there in a while, they remembered me. I love getting free coffee. The manager who gave me her number was right there giving me a rough time as I got in line. Once I got to the counter the one who’d spilled my coffee was still on the register again. I got a DIHL and then a smile as she went to ring me up. I swear it was the wildest thing I’ve ever seen. I could watch a line of red move up her neck and face like watching a thermometer get hotter. Then she wouldn’t look me in the eye except with her chin on her neck. The whole time she is doing this she’s smiling. She says, ‘Oops, we messed up your order; on the house.’ Cheshire cat grin. Okay then. 
Then behind me is a really tall (but worth the climb) girl who was probably 20 standing entirely too close. She asked me if I was wearing body lotion (???) and I tell her it was a cologne oil. ‘It smells really good. Really good!’ I move down to the end and the manager is still flirting but now the ICM hit her and she went from busting my chops to smiling at me and asking me flat out why I haven’t called. Sorry I have a girlfriend (as I am thinking to myself, I don’t think I can survive another alpha woman in my life.)
After that I noticed people sitting around me trying to make eye contact in the hopes I’d talk to them. An older male (probably early 60’s) kept trying to find reasons to talk to me even though he had a newspaper in front of him. He didn’t seem interested in talking with anyone else so I count this as a hit even though he’s not really my type. 
Apparently the tall girl that was behind me was there with her boyfriend but she kept finding reasons to look at me. She chose a seat at a table where she’d be facing me but he’d have to sit with his back to me. I’d see her looking out of the corner of my eye and when I’d glance over she’d quickly look down or look away. At least once, her boyfriend turned around to see if he could figure out what she was looking at. I’m sure he was confused when the only person there was me and not someone he would count as ‘attractive’.
Duration of effects.
~3 hours (while out and about mostly at the coffee shop and bookstore but also the mall that is connected) now I’m back home (~5 hours after initial application) and I still feel very happy and upbeat.
Effects from mixing with other products.
n/a
Range
No more than about 6’ (I will say that the oil doesn’t seem to carry the way that the spray does but having a cover scent seems to really help diffuse the pheromones.
Time exposure.
Pretty much immediate to about 30 seconds before any reaction was seen.
At least these last two times that I’ve worn this, I have been seeing hits that remind me of the spray variety. I don’t know what advantages having this in an oil really has over a spray with the exception of longevity. I think I must have gotten REALLY lucky with my first attempt at this. I read what little I could find and used my intuition to guess at things and while there are some things I’m not 100% satisfied with such as the scent, overall I am thrilled with how this seems to have turned out. I am still amazed at how much stronger this is than I expected. I was seriously expecting to need 7 or 8 drops of this to make it work. I may try upping it to 3 but with the help of nbully’s calculator 6 I think 3 may be pushing it for the amount of P83.
Next time I may let this composite sit for at least a week (not just 2-3 days because I was excited). I am also definitely getting a stronger scent to cover the DPG smell. Overall, I am very happy with just how lucky I got right out of the gate. I can’t wait to keep working with this and reporting on it.
If anyone else decides to lose their minds and give something like this a try I can’t wait to read how their experiments go!
I was just rereading my report from today and it hit me. Days like today are exactly WHY I tried pheromones in the first place. I was tired of being invisible and feeling invisible. I started trying different pheromone combinations in the Instant Line with success. That boosted my confidence and helped me get really interested in the research side. So I started trying the MX’s and the ‘P’ series. Today I had a very good day, I was noticed in a positive way and because I felt good, I felt good about spreading the mood to others.
My confidence is such that even on my phero free days I can stand toe to toe with some very strong people in my life and hold my own with what I know is right for me. That is something I’d never have been able to really do before. Because of this journey I’ve been on, I truly feel like a changed person.
I don’t think you’ll be disappointed with the Tom Ford. I LOVE the smell of that stuff and every woman I know who’s smelled it agrees.
Hehehe, how did I decide on the ratios? Honestly, I took a deep breath, closed my eyes and asked myself, ‘What will work for this?’ That is the response I got. Just like how I decided to order the strengths I did with the ingredients I needed. I was totally winging it. When I say that I was using my intuition to figure things out, I was serious.
Would I adjust the oil up or down? For me personally, the viscosity of the mix is just about perfect. It is basically the same viscosity as A314 (at least by my less than scientific method of watching it drop and sit on my hand test).
I just realized that I don’t think I ever mentioned this. I’d ordered it with plant musks and there are little bits of what I assume is plants in the oil when you get it. If you want to be really efficient you would probably want to strain those out. I’m lazy and wasn’t concerned about it since I was using a dropper bottle but it is something to bring up.
I am absolutely amazed at how once I figured this out, it seem just about perfect for me. Using the ingredient strengths that felt right I came out to ~15ml of phero/alcohol mixture. I had 15ml of DPG with plant musks. It gave me a basically full bottle of phero potion to play with. Add to that the fact that a little seems to go a looooong way and it turns out to be more economical than I originally thought.
Awesome! I really like the Tom Ford I have gotten a sample.
I am glad that the mix worked out for you! Another question: How many sprays of the regular ICM mix would you use? I see that you found 2 drops of your mix a sweet spot. I just wanted to compare your sprays to drops ratio.
Really purchasing your own individual pheros is economical! LOL Well not really, but its awesome to make a mix how you want it to be. Plus in the long run its cheaper than buying 20 ICM togos!
The plant “pieces” are they noticeable when you put them on your skin? That is kind of odd
I found this exact same thing out as well. I found that using about a third of the bottle in one dose got me the results i was looking for. When using a more conservative amount i tried spraying some 1a ontop with great affects too! Too bad i’m out now 
Product name,scent and strength
My own oil based ICM 1.25.1b Based on Steve’s ICM mix (6% Akuto scented in DPG with Natural Plant Musks from Androtics)
Application dosage and locations
1 drop to the front of neck
1 drop split between the tops of the hands
No cover scent
Enviroment tested in.
Parents house, auto
Self effects.
A sense of ‘Wow, this is strong!’ that died down within about 5 minutes to a feeling of happiness, optimism, masculinity. Driving along thinking, ‘Hey I feel pretty good!’
Effects to others
My Mom was the first person I saw at their house and she became very cheerful and deferential towards me. (VERY out of character for her). She kept following me around and asking me how I was doing. Reminded me a bit of when I wear IG around her. Very polite, acting as if I was a guest instead of a labor saving device. Told me I smell nice.
Older male relative (late 60’s) was also very polite and deferential. Also not normal behavior. They were both talking to me as if I was an adult. Usually only happens when I wear IG. I was there to help them yet I kept having them tell me to relax while they did what they wanted done. I’m younger and in (relatively) better shape yet they seemed to feel that the work they wanted done was beneath me.
Duration of effects.
~3 hours (while at parents house) but when I sniff the top of my hand I still smell it and it gives me a bit of a phero rush.
Effects from mixing with other products.
n/a
Range
No more than about 10’ (Don’t know why it hit everyone at parents place from farther away than I normally see)
Time exposure.
From about 10’ away it was almost immediate.
My original intention today was to put this mix on and head out shopping with the GF. I didn’t remember ever trying this around her so I put on a drop to the neck expecting to cover it with a cologne when I caught a wiff of the faint Akuto scent. I decided to put a drop on the tops of my hands and spread it out. Hmmm… Mostly Akuto scent, barely a hint of the DPG smell and none of that odd burnt rubber scent I noticed when I’d first composited this. I guess it makes sense that being an oil, I’d need more than 3 or 4 days for this to really brew like I do with the alcohol based composites. This seems to have gotten much better with age. If I do this again maybe I’ll try and be patient enough to let it sit for a week or two before touching it. I’ll have to look and see when I originally put this together. I will still get my ingredients at the 20% cologne strength, however. Maybe by then we’ll have some other new scents and I’ll try it with one of them.
Before I could call the GF and tell her I was on the way, my Mom called and asked me to help her with some things to help winterize their house. So I headed over there with the intention of seeing how this affected them while helping get things done. What I found was that they seemed to see me in a much more positive light than normal. (Regardless of how I’m doing financially- because I’m a small business owner in a non-traditional field I’m not seen as being respectable in their eyes. I’d have to work for someone else for them to see me as an ‘adult’- odd, but that is their mindset.)
The more I try this, the more I like it. Next time I’ll up the scent strength and also let it sit longer before trying it.
Edit- I just reread this entire thread and apparently, I did try it around the GF. I test so many insane combinations that I’m not surprised I couldn’t remember.
Unless something drastic happens with this mix, this will be my last post detailing any ‘hits’ I’ve gotten with it. I’m sure you guys are tired of me posting to this thread, anyhow. After letting this sit a while and working with it, I LOVE this stuff. I just wish it wasn’t so expensive to make! 
Product name,scent and strength
My own oil based ICM 1.25.1b Based on Steve’s ICM mix (Akuto scented in DPG with Natural Plant Musks from Androtics)
Application dosage and locations
1 drop to the back of the neck (spread on skin between hair and the collar of my shirt)
1 drop split between the sides of the neck
1 drop split between the tops of the hands
Environment tested in.
Car repair place
Automobile
Retail establishment (Walgreens)
Self effects.
Very minimized compared to first time I wore this. Even at 3 drops I just felt very calm, very masculine. Not so uplifted, just very strong (I liked it). The smell of oil Akuto sniff, sniff… Sniiiiiiff (Yup, I like it- very faint DPG smell but not bad at all)
Effects to others
I’m going to try 3 drops of this again. Walgreens. I was there 2 times very briefly. Both times I got a DIHL from the same employee. A cashier who was a very cute, very petite, very shy and young (probably 18-20 y/o)Caucasian brunette. First time, I walk up to the register to pay for my purchase. As I slide my items to her on the counter she caught wind of the ICM. TILT That stunned blank stare that still creeps me out everytime I see it. :o That lead immediately to the wide eyed babbling variation on the DIHL. Slight smile and talking a mile a minute just to keep me there. I see this quite often with younger women (especially the more shy ones). Second time I went in there I was picking up photos. It was funny because she saw me come in and made a point to walk by me very close even though there was room to go around. Then she is talking to me about the weather and how nice it was today to see the sun again. The whole time smiling and giving me that doggie bowl look. She was leaning over the counter with those big eyes smiling. Woof!
I also got a DIHL from a manager there but in all fairness I think part of that was because I startled her. We both came around the corner at the same time and I believe I surprised her. After I said excuse me, she seemed to catch a whiff of me as we stood there. ‘Oh!’ smile ‘Pardon me,’ as I smile back and walk past. She was stocking near the register and I caught her looking for me to come back around the corner when I headed for the register. I got a smile and a slight blush. It was great for the ego. 
(Even with my newfound confidence this sort of thing NEVER happens on my phero free days).
At the auto repair place, I was helping a friend who was having car trouble. I followed him to the place and went in to see how long it’d be. The guy behind the counter kept trying to talk to me instead of the guy who actually OWNED the vehicle being serviced. He got a bit irritated. In the car, my friend started out in a bad mood (obviously) but then within about 5 minutes of the 10 minute drive he was in a pretty good mood. Laughing and joking about things. I will say that this mix seems to really make other guys deferential towards me. More than when I wear my alcohol based ICM …1a. It HAS to be something with the diffusion in the oil base.
Duration of effects.
It has been about 9 hours and I still smell it. It affected the cashier the 2nd time at about 6.5 hours and while I do believe there was some carryover from the 1st time, that doesn’t explain the managers reaction (her reaction was from my 2nd time there at the 6.5 hour mark.)
Effects from mixing with other products.
n/a
Range
I’d say about 6’ (the auto parts guy was behind a counter about that far away).
Time exposure.
Seemed to take maybe 30 seconds at the most. The manager seemed to be affected pretty much immediately, but I believe that was because we were only about 2’ apart.
Okay, some thoughts on this experiment of mine.
First, I got phenomenally lucky first time out of the gate. I had no idea what I was doing and because I didn’t find what I was looking for to help me I just guessed. I’m sure that there is a much more scientific way to arrive at the ‘proper’ ratios than I did.
Second, I would most definitely get at least a few of the ingredients at regular cologne strength to help cover the DPG/plant musk smell. I might get half at regular cologne strength and half at 6% scent strength. In the oil base even at 6% it is very long lasting. When we find out what scent won the smell-off I may try this again in a different scent. As it is, with 6% Akuto, the diffusion seems to be pretty good (especially for being an oil base). For the record, if you want to cover this with your own cologne or even dump your own cologne into the mix, even 6% Akuto is very easy to cover in the oil.
Third. This stuff is strong! I arbitrarily decided to quintuple the amounts in the alcohol version of this. I know I read that Steve made his oil base to 7x its original strength. That must have had women throwing their panties at the guys wearing it. I found out that 4 drops is OD territory. 4 drops doesn’t seem like much to me but I can get away with 1 drop to the neck and 1 to the tops of the hands. I tried today to get away with 3 drops and spread them out over my body. It seemed to work better than I’d hoped it would. Much better.
Fourth. I’ve noticed that the last few times I’ve worn this (after I figured out I was OD’ing) that when this hits, it hits like a locomotive. I have been seeing some consistently strong reactions that seem to have some memory. If I wear the alcohol ICM’s around someone, I don’t see them reacting the next time I see them (unless I am wearing something for them to react to) but with this, I’m seeing a carryover effect that I can only attribute to the oil base. It changes the diffusive characteristics of the pheros dramatically.
Fifth. For this to composite properly, I really believe that it needs at least 2 weeks before it gets used. It seems to need to really sit for a while and occasionally be shaken (Hmmm… just like wine) in order to be a truly fine vintage. This takes patience and now that I know what the finished product can be, I can wait for it.
Sixth. I just added this one after catching a whiff of the top of my hand. Longevity. What guy doesn’t want to last longer? With my own ICM mixes as well as MX301/MX302 (which I also like) I get around 3.5-4 hours. With this stuff it seems to be the Energizer Bunny. I can rub the back of my neck and I get the faint scent of Akuto/DPG as well as a slight phero rush. 6.5 hours after application and I got 2 DIHL’s? I can handle that.
Finally, Thanks to Steve for releasing these for all of us to try for ourselves. I’ve made several mutant versions of his ICM mixes and without those to learn from, I’d never have learned as much as I have about how much of an impact pheros can have on a person (in a positive way). I will do this again because I have been very happy with the results. As a matter of fact, this really did turn out much better than I could have ever hoped. Now I just need Androtics to get all the ingredients in stock for me to repeat that recent phero bomb of mine as an oil mix. (Of course I’d have to take out a loan in order to afford all the ingredients at the strengths I’d need but I guarantee it’d be fun! Wow… Just imagine an oil based MX331/MX333 or MX297 (or for me MX116).
Looking over a couple of my past posts, I remarked how I would let this composite longer next time. I really believe that is of the utmost importance. I’d say at least 2 weeks. It seemed to make a HUGE difference that I’d set this aside for a short while and let it really ferment.
Thank you very much Snoopyace! This thread is Fu**ing awesome. I appreciate you taking risks to try something new. Plus to share the whole process, good and bad, is wonderful for the whole community. I am inspired by this thread everytime I have read it, and cannot wait to make my own oil based mix. I hope I have as much luck as you have though lol.
Thanks Andrew! If you decide to pull the trigger on your own oil based mix, please document it so we can share the experience!
Of course I will. I think oils are a good way to go if the mix is worth it. Just waiting for some Putative stuff to come in stock so I can make a decent order. I do not like having to pay for shipping
After my experience with this mix, I couldn’t agree more. I am hoping some of the putatives get back into stock again soon so I can play some more. To be honest, I may try the ICM .05b just for giggles once the new scent is announced and available. The oil mix seems to hit much harder than the alcohol base did.
Sounds like a good idea! I am going to test mx302 vs mx301 and decide which one I am going to make. I have all of the ingredients except the oil.
An unrelated question though. Do you have any p86? I was reading a post from Diane99 I believe, that indicated P86 can give a “Shallow Hal” effect. I am wondering if that is what is in MX331 to give the attraction to all women we get. I really like that and think if used responsibily it could create other awesome mixes. Possibly add to this ICM mix.
I went through my P86 and the last time I checked, it was out of stock (like so many other things right now). I think that could definitely be a very good addition to these and it would make sense that it would be in MX331-MX334. I hadn’t thought of that.
I tried a small amount of TAF (4mcg) per spray to an ICM …1b that I’d made and WOW what a difference it made. Really seemed to make women more aggressive than the original mix. (I took the TAF and TAK out of my mixes because I liked them better without).
Yeah I have been waiting for what feels like forever for p86! Good things come to those who wait LOL. I wil have to try the taf then to see what that does. Sounds like it could be interesting. Anyways you have a good night and I will catch you later.
Has anyone considered using glycerin instead of or with an oil base. I read that it was used in perfume to make scents last longer and I think its pretty thick (viscosity)
Could yo imagine the possibilties of an oil based panty scorcher, mx292, mx301/302, putatives?
Oh yeah, glycerine is pretty viscuous. The place I used to work at required a fair amount of organic chemistry and this (along with DPG) was one of the ingredients we used.
Give it a try! I used DPG because it is what Androtics sold as their oil base and I wasn’t really invested in totally reinventing the wheel at that point. I just wanted to see what’d happen if I made an oil based ICM and what they offered was convenient. I can say that even though 1b is normally a more social mix, this oil based one seems to have some heavy sexual effects.
I would LOVE to see MX297 or MX116 in an oil base but now I understand what MHarris is talking about by it being expensive. There is a composite I want to make in oil if Androtics gets the products back into stock. I will definitely be doing this again.
Glycerin is a drying agent and can cause irritation on the skin.
Thanks for chiming in Steve! I plan to stick with the DPG for my next attempt because it does seem to work well.