Ladies, a lost gentleman needs your help.

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Mark is right. Lost puppies aren’t sexy. When you are really open about how much you love another, it is easy to forget yourself and slip into an attitude that feels real and wonderful to you, but looks needy to others. I think we’ve all done that at some point in our dating careers. (Some of us–meaning me–have done it more times than we would care to admit!).

It is great to see that you are experimenting with love, despite setbacks. If any lady is worthy of you, she will eventually love you as much as you love her. Keep up the good fight!

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Habib, It looks like you’re back on track anyway. David DeAngelo’s books did wonders for me too. I started reading, and heading his advice several years ago and man did it make a difference!

I used to be able to keep girlfriends for no more than a couple of months max, always becoming a complete wuss, and they would lose interest and find someone else. David D’s advice smacked me straight between the eyes, and although it took awhile to reprogram myself and my inner game, I’m usually the one walking away now, and refuse to settle. I still subscribe to his email letters.

By the way, thanks kitten!

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Well Michael DeAngelo, Mystery, Ross Jeffries, and Mark from Dallas…

Chance meeting today,

I was wearing CTTM (3 sprays) and Instant Honesty (3 sprays) with MX135 (2 sprays).

Went very well, in fact after reading the books by the above writers and watching several dvds on relationships, body language and others things, helped to improve my interaction. Though i need to improve my communication skills, they seem to go to the dogs when i am with her.

I learnt how to DHL (display of higher value) her, every time i would lean back, she leaned forward, negged her, I walked away twice but she kept asking me to stay, or are you going? And at one stage i left her for an hour, when i came back she was quick to welcome me back. I used mystery’s example, made her buy me lunch, she was happy to do so. Made me eat every bit of it, far cry from last time when she put the chocolates in my mouth.

Well i have learnt to spot IOI they were there hot and heavy. Her giggling and laughing at my jokes, dilated pupils, constant blushing and eye contact, especially after full body to body contact when i playfully grabbed her from behind and lifted her in the air pulling her ass into my pelvic region for some intimate contact. I applied the 3 second rule to eye contact, she averted her eyes down first. I also applied the three second rule to touching. And the most obvious IOI she played with her hair, displaying her underarms, and looking at me with open mouth. She reffered to her mother as ‘Your mother-in-law’. I failed to look down at her legs for IOI’s but but hey how much can a man do.

Oh yes she walked straight into the trap i set for her, remember in my last post, i said i had something up my sleeve, well it worked. and i am going to play it for all its worth.

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WE WENT OUT… ON A REAL DATE…

yes i took tisha advice and made it clear to her of my interest.

i said to her ’ didnt you say the man has to chase the woman’

‘Yes of course’

‘well i am chasing you, and i am asking you on a date’

we planned it for the following week. and all week i was scared she would cancel like before or do something awkward. but she didnt.

She was giggling when we met and looking shy.. she said her mom was waiting and had a message for me..

‘if i touched her she would castrate me..’

we laughed about, so i touched her anyway (her arm)

i didnt tell her where we were going… so she was nervous and apprehensive on the train all the way.

I took her bowling; cos she has never played before, so it was fun, afterwards when we left, we walked arm in arm, and suddenly she grabbed my face and pulled me into her, i was taken by surprise and my mouth hit her cheek quite hard, which shocked her as well. I dont know if she was trying to kiss me or what, but i wasnt planning to kiss her anyway.

We had chinese food, then spent an hour walking around picadilly circus and leicester sqaure, talking. I feel i understand her a bit more.

She has a dominating mother, but she is close to; and she hates her father who she hasnt seen in 5 years. Hence why she thinks men are bastards. She wouldnt say but i suspect he was abusive. She is religious (russian orthodox) and she really is hopeless at relationships with men.

well i understand now a bit why she shy’s away from kissing and physical contact…

any one can advice me on this… i think i am half way through the door, but not quite in… i think the key is her mom.

How do i deal with her pyshcologically given her parents, religion and in general lack of social skills.

I think i am in the kill zone, and if i play it right i can have her..

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Yay Habi Told ya so :stuck_out_tongue:

I would take it slow but steady, if your right about her dad she needs to build a trust for men again. Show her what a real man can be like so she knows they are not all like her dad.

I suggest very light ammo and some social or fun pheromones at first. Instant Female Magic may be useful as well to keep her feeling safe and calm.

Try not to wear any Androstenone around her mother. Go for the IFM and socials there as well at least till you all become closer.

Be patient with her. Remember how it felt when you were not getting along. Do not push the sexual inpulses to fast let her get comfortable. You waited this long you can wait a little more. After a few more dates when you see her comfort level increasing up your ammo a little and start get a little more physical.

Tisha

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yeah slow and easy. I don’t know whether you’ve read the book (haven’t read the whole thread) but someone in here mentioned the book: “without embarassment”. And I found it and am reading it now. And I gotta say WOW what a book.

If you can overcome some of the technical and esthetical cons of this book, I seriously feel this guy has some excellent points. I feel most “seduction literature” takes on a cynical and woman-fiendish approach. However this guy strikes at the root instead of the leaves, beginning with YOU. Why are YOU without women? It’s because YOU are thinking wrong.

In film language: it’s written from “the inside out” - the way all good writing and acting should be done.

One of the best benefits of this book has given me is the ability to think of seduction as nothing more serious than whatever me and my friends do or talk about when we’re together. The problem for most guys is the “life or death” approach we have towards getting women: “either I get laid or I get rejected and then I’ll most surely go complete and utterly insane OMGOMG SHE’S TALKING TO ME!! GOTTA SAY SOMETHING CLEVER!!!NOWNOWNOWFAST *** SHIT! I blew it. I hate myself and the whole world”.

I guess the point would be to not necessarily claiming her love in the form of sexual or verbal communication, but instead just being near her and takin’ it easy. Of course, if it goes too long, she’ll drop you into the “friend” category and you’ll never get out of it again (and never is forever! :wink: just to state the importance of not being in her “talkie-talk friend drawer”)

Well I could go on and on :slight_smile: hope it didn’t come off as too cynical. All problems start with your own way of thinking anyway (said in a positive and constructive way! :slight_smile:)

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HABI,

If things don’t work out, there is always me. :smiley:

justonce

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Ok, I’m not reading anyone else’s replies so if I’m repeating anything you’ve heard…it must be true!

As far as me, I go for a guy who treats me like he really cares. This doesn’t mean showering me with gifts or anything material, for that matter. I mean be a true down to earth friend. Just plain and simple concern and consideration, minus the wimp(keep a little testosterone with it). Don’t flirt, let her do it. Most of us are suckers for guys who don’t lust after them and flirt with them. I think we become curious as to why we aren’t getting the attention, and it peaks our interests.

Complimenting her is absolutely fine. Just try not to cross that line until she is very passionate about you (we’ve all been to the movies). When you two actually go out on a date, be original. Try to make it something she likes, no something she loves…if you’ve pay enough attention to her conversations you know exactly what that is. Of course you both have to actually SHOW UP for this to work!!! If you go out, don’t kiss her, and try to avoid if you think she’ll be going in for one. You know drop the eye contact, and say you have to use the restroom.

Plain and simple, last but not least. Don’t sweat her!! If you two haven’t talked in a while, call her just to make sure she’s ok. Once you are sure she’s fine, let her know again why you were calling and get off the line quickly. 5-10min conversation tops. She should be sweating you!!!

I hope this helps…I’m a hunter so I feel like women should choose the guy they want. Hence the dressed up male is the animal Kingdom. If she knows your being hunted by others, she’ll going in for the kill.

You may need to learn how to become prey!!!

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Wow… I have no idea how I stumbled upon this thread anymore, but this thread should be marked the “big thread of really damn good dating suggestions for guys” as efforts n suggestions from so many different people went into this thread! (and ALL very good too which makes this thread all the more powerful) especially those coming from the girls… (and you too Mark lol)

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Well i suppose you all deserve to know the end.. every story has an end and this one does to…

Well.. to cut a long story short

Yes i got her to admit her feelings…

No i havent seen her for a while…

Things took a u-turn in late April.. and i managed to save things and turn them round.. in a heated conversation i asked her stop her childish behaviour… we spoke about things which we never have, our wants and nots.

She challenged me to read her body language … it screamed i want you…

i want to hear it from her mouth, being so stubborn she wasnt in a rush to say it… One night in mid-May, she rang me at 2 AM in the morning waking me up.. to tell me she loved me and cared for me deeply and how she misses they way things used to be between us… how afraid she was. She said that patience was good thing. I told i missed the ways things were as well.

OK, so after that she started her stupid behaviour again the one that annoyed me so much 1 step forward 2 back… i knew she wasnt going to change at least not in a hurry.. the biological clock is ticking… so any ways.

The last time we met things were exciting but this time i knew in my heart this was to be the last time i was willing to see her. I felt i should let her go, she was not the type to be tamed.

At least time we parted without fighting. We ended in a good note. This time there was closure. I closed the book. I feel better then i have for a long time.

Wherever she goes, i wish her all the happiness in the world.

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Wow, I feel like I had just closed the back cover on a huge romantic novel that I used to read. Im sorry everything didnt turn out the way you wanted, but I guess that’s life.

Im glad you are taking it well though. I think I wouldnt have taken it that well myself, but then again, I would’ve cut the string and ran free a lot earlier than you did.

It was a great read, both because Im sure everyone can relate due to the fact we’ve all been through things like this at least once in our lives, and also because of the great tips given here.

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Well, Habib, it’s good you got some closure. It makes it easier to move on. Chalk it up to life experience. One thing I’ve learned…the only thing you can really control is yourself. Trying to put a lid on others never works…at least not for long…as they always revert to type.

It’s always best to put your cards on the table. If she can’t ante-up, then it’s time to get out of the game. You gave it your best shot…open and honest. That’s the best anybody can do. :wink:

I hope you have some peace now.

Bella