Lakerman34's Journal

[lakerman34]

4/22/11-

**Temperature:**About 75 degrees

Venue: Party in apartment

Pheromones/Cologne Wearing: 1 spray AMMO to chest, 1 drop A314 spread on wrists, behind ears, 1 spray CTTM2, on each side of neck. Also, about 3 sprays of Narciso Rodriguez on belly area.

Self-Effects: A bit of anxiety at first, boredom. Even a little bit of anger.

Effects on other guys: Very friendly, talking and conversing with me.

First Journal Entry!!!

I’ve decided that I would write everything about the party as I did above, and go into detail about the effects on the lady (as I do below).

Let me just say, I’m an undergraduate student, and I don’t go out much, but when I do, I usually get good hits.

The mix of Ammo + A314 + IO has worked WONDERS for me, and last night was no different (I used CTTM2 instead of IO last night though. No real significant difference between the two IMO). Also, I LOVE using some Narciso Rodriguez cologne as a cover. HUGE hit with the ladies. ALWAYS have girls literally “discretely” putting their noses up against me.

Went to a party that a club I am in was throwing. It was with a sorority. I was looking for a girl that I was trying to hook up with, she never showed.

Another girl from another sorority (a year older than me) crashed the party. This girl was a ballbreaker, breaking guys balls, questioning guy’s manhoods, and just calling guys out left and right.

From the very beginning of the party, I was basically turned on INSTANTLY once I heard this girl yelling shit at other guys. Call me crazy, but ballbreaking girls that yell at guys (even moreso, myself) questioning their manhood is a HUGE turn on. I kept staring at her ass, and she looked over at me a few times. Then, I said something to her, and she smiled and acted real sweet towards me (after she just told a guy that he probably had a little baby dick).

A friend of mine and I challenged her and her friend to a game of Crossfire (for those that don’t know, it’s like four rut setups, 1 on each corner. Your teammate sits diagonally from you, and every time you make a shot, your teammate has to flip a cup over and drink).

The girl and I started getting rough, she started pushing me over (literally, fell on my ass 4 times) and I was grabbing her, shoving her, holding her, grinding up on her, and she was laughing the entire time. Then, she questioned MY manhood (said something like 'You’re the worst player I have ever seen. But you still probably play this game better than you do in bed.") Then I said something like “with these fingers, it’s real tough for me to play. Mad strong.” As I made a ‘come hither’ motion with them (sexual innuendo).

The girl and I started talking about past hookups we had with other people, and she started casually talking about how she wants to have a “fuck buddy that won’t call her. So she only needs to show up when she’s feeling it.” I told her that every girl I’ve hooked up with from my school was only OK in bed, and I’m looking for that girl that would just rock my world

Then she started grinding up on me, several times. Throughout the night, she rubbed her breast on me several times as well. She’d get in my face and say “I’ll kick your ass,” and I’d challenge her to do so. She’d always giggle with her tongue out.

I told her that she being violent with me was turning me on, and she said “I love it when guys are aggressive with me too.”

Then, for some reason, it came across my mind that my room was a mess, and it was a Thursday night and I had class in the AM. I knew that we’d party with HER sorority next week, so I decided not to pursue anything. Then, when I got back to my dorm (absolutely hammered) I thought about it, and realized I may have just wasted an opportunity to have the kinkiest sex that I will ever have.

Good hit, but because of my stupidity, I didn’t close. I DID, however, tell her that I’d see her next week, and she was down. I’m making different plans for next week.

[SteveO]

Sometimes not closing is the BEST close you can ever do. It leaves them guessing about themselves and if they are good enough for you. Besides your good at this stuff and next week, after some anticipation, it could get even more “fun!”

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

4/22/11-

**Temperature:**About 75 degrees

Venue: Party in apartment

Pheromones/Cologne Wearing: 1 spray AMMO to chest, 1 drop A314 spread on wrists, behind ears, 1 spray CTTM2, on each side of neck. Also, about 3 sprays of Narciso Rodriguez on belly area.

Self-Effects: A bit of anxiety at first, boredom. Even a little bit of anger.

Effects on other guys: Very friendly, talking and conversing with me.

First Journal Entry!!!

I’ve decided that I would write everything about the party as I did above, and go into detail about the effects on the lady (as I do below).

Let me just say, I’m an undergraduate student, and I don’t go out much, but when I do, I usually get good hits.

The mix of Ammo + A314 + IO has worked WONDERS for me, and last night was no different (I used CTTM2 instead of IO last night though. No real significant difference between the two IMO). Also, I LOVE using some Narciso Rodriguez cologne as a cover. HUGE hit with the ladies. ALWAYS have girls literally “discretely” putting their noses up against me.

Went to a party that a club I am in was throwing. It was with a sorority. I was looking for a girl that I was trying to hook up with, she never showed.

Another girl from another sorority (a year older than me) crashed the party. This girl was a ballbreaker, breaking guys balls, questioning guy’s manhoods, and just calling guys out left and right.

From the very beginning of the party, I was basically turned on INSTANTLY once I heard this girl yelling shit at other guys. Call me crazy, but ballbreaking girls that yell at guys (even moreso, myself) questioning their manhood is a HUGE turn on. I kept staring at her ass, and she looked over at me a few times. Then, I said something to her, and she smiled and acted real sweet towards me (after she just told a guy that he probably had a little baby dick).

A friend of mine and I challenged her and her friend to a game of Crossfire (for those that don’t know, it’s like four rut setups, 1 on each corner. Your teammate sits diagonally from you, and every time you make a shot, your teammate has to flip a cup over and drink).

The girl and I started getting rough, she started pushing me over (literally, fell on my ass 4 times) and I was grabbing her, shoving her, holding her, grinding up on her, and she was laughing the entire time. Then, she questioned MY manhood (said something like 'You’re the worst player I have ever seen. But you still probably play this game better than you do in bed.") Then I said something like “with these fingers, it’s real tough for me to play. Mad strong.” As I made a ‘come hither’ motion with them (sexual innuendo).

The girl and I started talking about past hookups we had with other people, and she started casually talking about how she wants to have a “fuck buddy that won’t call her. So she only needs to show up when she’s feeling it.” I told her that every girl I’ve hooked up with from my school was only OK in bed, and I’m looking for that girl that would just rock my world

Then she started grinding up on me, several times. Throughout the night, she rubbed her breast on me several times as well. She’d get in my face and say “I’ll kick your ass,” and I’d challenge her to do so. She’d always giggle with her tongue out.

I told her that she being violent with me was turning me on, and she said “I love it when guys are aggressive with me too.”

Then, for some reason, it came across my mind that my room was a mess, and it was a Thursday night and I had class in the AM. I knew that we’d party with HER sorority next week, so I decided not to pursue anything. Then, when I got back to my dorm (absolutely hammered) I thought about it, and realized I may have just wasted an opportunity to have the kinkiest sex that I will ever have.

Good hit, but because of my stupidity, I didn’t close. I DID, however, tell her that I’d see her next week, and she was down. I’m making different plans for next week.

That was slick! That’s all I got - can’t wait for the next installment!!!

Still need an EEK! face for the post icons . . .

[lakerman34]

It’s been a while! But here I go!

**Temperature:**80-90 degrees

Venue: All over Greece. Outdoors mostly in scorching heat. May 29-June 27

Pheromones/Cologne Wearing: 1 spray AMMO to chest, 1 drop A314 spread on wrists, behind ears, 1 spray CTTM2 , on each side of neck. Also, about 3 sprays of Narciso Rodriguez on belly area.

Self-Effects: Excitement and a little horniness. Confidence.

Effects on other guys: Very friendly, talking and conversing with me.

So, I’m in Greece with a study abroad program with another school (I go to school in PA, but I’m with a school in Georgia).

I met this girl. Blond hair, and the most beautiful blue eyes I have ever seen (we’ll call her Jane).

We became “friends” right away, but one night, we went to a club (it was me, another guy, and 3 girls). The guy left early, so it was me and the three girls.

She was ALL OVER ME, but I didn’t act upon it.

There is ANOTHER girl that has blond hair and blue eyes (we’ll call her Kate). No where NEAR as attractive as Jane.

Jane keeps touching me, and we are getting to know each other. I “proposed” to her in a supermarket because I was on one knee to look at the spice rack. She said “OK, sure.”

We go telling everyone how we are engaged, and other girls on the trip are saying how they think it’s so cute how we always flirt with each other (always touching, saying things like “why are you always trying to hold my hand?”)

Girl is absolutely ADORABLE. I’m pretty smitten. However, Kate won’t really leave us alone, like, ever (she says that we are ‘lifetime friends’ and she’s happy she met us). ALTHOUGH it is pretty obvious that we are always flirting.

Both this girls are very sexual, Kate a little moreso than Jane. I even joked about a threesome, and they actually seemed down (although I would not participate if Kate is a part of it. Not interested in her at all).

Finally, because I learned that if it’s going “too easy” for a girl, she’ll lose interest, I ditched the girls on our way out last night once I saw my friend. They were quite pissed off. The next day, I went to their room, and Jane seemed REALLY upset, although I was hugging her and holding her and she didn’t seem like she was avoiding it.

On our ferry ride back to Athens (we were on an island for 3 days), I hung out w/ Jane sitting across from me, and Kate next to me. Kate was studying, Jane and I were playing cards, but Jane seemed EXTREMELY tired (it was a six hour night ferry ride).

My biggest fear is that Jane sees me as a close friend ALTHOUGH I’m constantly touching her, making marriage jokes, saying how beautiful she is, etc. I told her I was going to make up the whole ditching her situation.

EVERYONE on our trip is certain that she and I are going to hookup at some point, but I’m just unsure. When we took pictures, Kate said to Jane, “maybe it’s not a good idea if you put those up on Facebook because homeboy might see them.”

I have seen her talking to this guy on Facebook quite often, and she’s always calling her “beautiful” and “gorgeous” and all that.

I feel like the “magic” between Jane and me that was so strong from the club the one night is slowly dying down. One day, she was really goofy, smiling, joking w/ me, comfortable talking about sex w/ me (she even asked me to give her a foot massage in front of the professors), and the next, she was really dry.

The reason I’m hopeful is because she said that she didn’t have fun at the bar that she went to (although there were many Greek men buying her drinks) because I wasn’t there, and she had an awful night.

I’m thinking about next weekend (we have weekends free) taking her to an island and just spoiling the hell out of her and call that the “make up.”

What say you guys?

[Astrea]

@Steve

Sometimes not closing is the BEST close you can ever do. It leaves them guessing about themselves and if they are good enough for you. Besides your good at this stuff and next week, after some anticipation, it could get even more “fun!”

Steve is right. Totally. About everything including the bit about you being good at this stuff.

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

It’s been a while! But here I go!

**Temperature:**80-90 degrees

Venue: All over Greece. Outdoors mostly in scorching heat. May 29-June 27

Pheromones/Cologne Wearing: 1 spray AMMO to chest, 1 drop A314 spread on wrists, behind ears, 1 spray CTTM2 , on each side of neck. Also, about 3 sprays of Narciso Rodriguez on belly area.

Self-Effects: Excitement and a little horniness. Confidence.

Effects on other guys: Very friendly, talking and conversing with me.

So, I’m in Greece with a study abroad program with another school (I go to school in PA, but I’m with a school in Georgia).

I met this girl. Blond hair, and the most beautiful blue eyes I have ever seen (we’ll call her Jane).

We became “friends” right away, but one night, we went to a club (it was me, another guy, and 3 girls). The guy left early, so it was me and the three girls.

She was ALL OVER ME, but I didn’t act upon it.

There is ANOTHER girl that has blond hair and blue eyes (we’ll call her Kate). No where NEAR as attractive as Jane.

Jane keeps touching me, and we are getting to know each other. I “proposed” to her in a supermarket because I was on one knee to look at the spice rack. She said “OK, sure.”

We go telling everyone how we are engaged, and other girls on the trip are saying how they think it’s so cute how we always flirt with each other (always touching, saying things like “why are you always trying to hold my hand?”)

Girl is absolutely ADORABLE. I’m pretty smitten. However, Kate won’t really leave us alone, like, ever (she says that we are ‘lifetime friends’ and she’s happy she met us). ALTHOUGH it is pretty obvious that we are always flirting.

Both this girls are very sexual, Kate a little moreso than Jane. I even joked about a threesome, and they actually seemed down (although I would not participate if Kate is a part of it. Not interested in her at all).

Finally, because I learned that if it’s going “too easy” for a girl, she’ll lose interest, I ditched the girls on our way out last night once I saw my friend. They were quite pissed off. The next day, I went to their room, and Jane seemed REALLY upset, although I was hugging her and holding her and she didn’t seem like she was avoiding it.

On our ferry ride back to Athens (we were on an island for 3 days), I hung out w/ Jane sitting across from me, and Kate next to me. Kate was studying, Jane and I were playing cards, but Jane seemed EXTREMELY tired (it was a six hour night ferry ride).

My biggest fear is that Jane sees me as a close friend ALTHOUGH I’m constantly touching her, making marriage jokes, saying how beautiful she is, etc. I told her I was going to make up the whole ditching her situation.

EVERYONE on our trip is certain that she and I are going to hookup at some point, but I’m just unsure. When we took pictures, Kate said to Jane, “maybe it’s not a good idea if you put those up on Facebook because homeboy might see them.”

I have seen her talking to this guy on Facebook quite often, and she’s always calling her “beautiful” and “gorgeous” and all that.

I feel like the “magic” between Jane and me that was so strong from the club the one night is slowly dying down. One day, she was really goofy, smiling, joking w/ me, comfortable talking about sex w/ me (she even asked me to give her a foot massage in front of the professors), and the next, she was really dry.

The reason I’m hopeful is because she said that she didn’t have fun at the bar that she went to (although there were many Greek men buying her drinks) because I wasn’t there, and she had an awful night.

I’m thinking about next weekend (we have weekends free) taking her to an island and just spoiling the hell out of her and call that the “make up.”

What say you guys?

I think you should start thinking about some TUTH. Alone on an island with her, spoiling her, that’s just about where I’d make it pretty obvious if I was interested in sexually. Get her alone and have some fun, but make sure you get that “I’ve got something for you” look in your eye. You should be able to judge what’s what, then.
Try making a game out of eluding the others after hours, with her. Call it quality time. It could be what happens in Greece, stays in Greece, too. You seem like you’re pretty good at gauging what’s up.

I, personally, like your plan. I’d definitely jump a guy I was interested in; if he did that for me. But I also have a different view on sex to most Americans. Remember the condoms. AND REMEMBER TO TELL US!

[lakerman34]

@Astrea

I think you should start thinking about some TUTH. Alone on an island with her, spoiling her, that’s just about where I’d make it pretty obvious if I was interested in sexually. Get her alone and have some fun, but make sure you get that “I’ve got something for you” look in your eye. You should be able to judge what’s what, then.
Try making a game out of eluding the others after hours, with her. Call it quality time. It could be what happens in Greece, stays in Greece, too. You seem like you’re pretty good at gauging what’s up.

I, personally, like your plan. I’d definitely jump a guy I was interested in; if he did that for me. But I also have a different view on sex to most Americans. Remember the condoms. AND REMEMBER TO TELL US!

It is going to be tough to get her alone, as long as Kate is around.
Even if I do get her “alone,” the most we can afford is a hostel, so we won’t ever truly be “alone.”

The entire thing is a crap shoot, and I’ll be pissed if it doesn’t happen. Yeah, my chances seem good, but part of me thinks that it just won’t happen, and she’s just enjoying the attention.

[lakerman34]

Just spoke to Kate on Facebook message, and Jane was brought up. She said that she honestly doesn’t think Jane is interested.

This is when I just completely stop talking to Jane and Kate and start hanging out w/ other kids in the group.

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

Just spoke to Kate on Facebook message, and Jane was brought up. She said that she honestly doesn’t think Jane is interested.

This is when I just completely stop talking to Jane and Kate and start hanging out w/ other kids in the group.

Kate is dissembling. From what you’ve said; Kate IS interested in you and it’s a common ploy to actively disseminate misinformation ‘so the guy will give up on her’ and turn his attention elsewhere ie. her, Kate. I think it’s interesting - in the covert ops way - that she told you on facebook and you’re BOTH right there. No chance of being overheard and an easily deletable conversation . . .
If / when Jane asks what’s going on, tell her Kate told you that she wasn’t interested. Simple. May make for AWKWARD ; BUT grace and dignity will smooth it over. YOUR grace and dignity.
I’ve had girls do this to me, alleged best friends; then found out when there was nothing to be done about it - as all of us had moved on.

GIRLS GAME SNEAKY!!!

[lakerman34]

@Astrea

Kate is dissembling. From what you’ve said; Kate IS interested in you and it’s a common ploy to actively disseminate misinformation ‘so the guy will give up on her’ and turn his attention elsewhere ie. her, Kate. I think it’s interesting - in the covert ops way - that she told you on facebook and you’re BOTH right there. No chance of being overheard and an easily deletable conversation . . .
If / when Jane asks what’s going on, tell her Kate told you that she wasn’t interested. Simple. May make for AWKWARD ; BUT grace and dignity will smooth it over. YOUR grace and dignity.
I’ve had girls do this to me, alleged best friends; then found out when there was nothing to be done about it - as all of us had moved on.

GIRLS GAME SNEAKY!!!

Thank you for the help!

Didn’t say a single word to Jane or Kate today, although Jane asked me something, I kinda glared at her and said “Don’t worry about it” and walked away.

IDK, say what you want, but in the past, I learned that being a nice guy for a stretch of days, then playing the douchebag works with girls. They begin wondering why you are being “such an asshole,” and start missing the attention. I may take this approach (wish I had some IJ).

Fortunately, my roommate just happened to have his girlfriend and her sister come by today, and I was talking to the sister quite a lot, and made it evident to Jane.

Hey, people say they ‘don’t like games,’ but I’m convinced that’s what relationships, girls and boys, and sex are. Games.

If you play your cards right, you get the prize.

Like I said, I’d be VERY disappointed if nothing happened between us (now that I think about it, it has been a while since I actually closed), but it’s seeming more and more likely that it won’t.

Yesterday, Kate was telling me how when I got drunk I was getting “creepy” towards Jane, and wouldn’t stop touching her, and that annoyed her (although she seemed perfectly fine with a massage).

We’ll see. I’m going to Olympia for a couple of days, so we’ll see what I can do with this. However, I’m perfectly fine if I leave this trip and Jane and Kate think I’m a douchebag (they live in GA, me in PA).

ANYTHING to reach my goal, getting Jane in the sack.

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

Thank you for the help!

Didn’t say a single word to Jane or Kate today, although Jane asked me something, I kinda glared at her and said “Don’t worry about it” and walked away.

IDK, say what you want, but in the past, I learned that being a nice guy for a stretch of days, then playing the douchebag works with girls. They begin wondering why you are being “such an asshole,” and start missing the attention. I may take this approach (wish I had some IJ).

Fortunately, my roommate just happened to have his girlfriend and her sister come by today, and I was talking to the sister quite a lot, and made it evident to Jane.

Hey, people say they ‘don’t like games,’ but I’m convinced that’s what relationships, girls and boys, and sex are. Games.

If you play your cards right, you get the prize.

Like I said, I’d be VERY disappointed if nothing happened between us (now that I think about it, it has been a while since I actually closed), but it’s seeming more and more likely that it won’t.

Yesterday, Kate was telling me how when I got drunk I was getting “creepy” towards Jane, and wouldn’t stop touching her, and that annoyed her (although she seemed perfectly fine with a massage).

We’ll see. I’m going to Olympia for a couple of days, so we’ll see what I can do with this. However, I’m perfectly fine if I leave this trip and Jane and Kate think I’m a douchebag (they live in GA, me in PA).

ANYTHING to reach my goal, getting Jane in the sack.

I happen to agree with you. Just be careful about the “bitching” factor. What I mean is with this if Kate starts telling Jane what a mean person you are . . . etc You want to be a position where Jane will defend you, thereby alienating Kate and her on the subject of you. Meaning she will expose a little jealousy and discredit herself a little.

Good, she needs to see other girls responding to you - apart from Kate. Who she may be considering “throwing a bone to”; as in you said you weren’t interested in her at all -she just may have been playing second fiddle to Jane for a bit already; Jane knows it and is trying to stand aside. Everyone forgets that people are NOT interchangeable. Also, DON’T let her get the idea that you’re looking over your shoulder at her, while you’re with someone else. Give your full attention to the person in front of you. Grace and dignity.

I have bitched about this very thing on this forum. Fucking GAMES!!! I do hate them and don’t play until my patience is worn to beyond tolerance. Then watch out. Make sure you play VERY well, because if I bring game - I don’t play ‘fair’. I’ll have the last laugh. People now seem to be doing this reflexively. Just the non-thinking reflex of current culture. Yes, game. Just do it better and harder than your targets. Just remember being a gracious winner is MORE important than being a gracious loser in this game.

Ok, now I’m gonna say: Don’t listen to her! She is now definitely gaming; girl style. If she says SHIT like this again, tell her Jane has a mouth and a tongue and will tell you herself if she’s creeped out or not. You don’t take second hand information, You get it straight from the horses mouth. Just turn around and ask Jane “Kate said this, I thought we knew each other well enough for you to be straight with me.” You also get a rep for not buying into gossip and NOT playing games. And if Kate (as I suspect) is lying - it blows her play out of the Aegean Sea. lol

All of the above is only my opinion; personal experience and lifelong study of human nature. But in another country.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

[lakerman34]

@Astrea

I happen to agree with you. Just be careful about the “bitching” factor. What I mean is with this if Kate starts telling Jane what a mean person you are . . . etc You want to be a position where Jane will defend you, thereby alienating Kate and her on the subject of you. Meaning she will expose a little jealousy and discredit herself a little.

Good, she needs to see other girls responding to you - apart from Kate. Who she may be considering “throwing a bone to”; as in you said you weren’t interested in her at all -she just may have been playing second fiddle to Jane for a bit already; Jane knows it and is trying to stand aside. Everyone forgets that people are NOT interchangeable. Also, DON’T let her get the idea that you’re looking over your shoulder at her, while you’re with someone else. Give your full attention to the person in front of you. Grace and dignity.

I have bitched about this very thing on this forum. Fucking GAMES!!! I do hate them and don’t play until my patience is worn to beyond tolerance. Then watch out. Make sure you play VERY well, because if I bring game - I don’t play ‘fair’. I’ll have the last laugh. People now seem to be doing this reflexively. Just the non-thinking reflex of current culture. Yes, game. Just do it better and harder than your targets. Just remember being a gracious winner is MORE important than being a gracious loser in this game.

Ok, now I’m gonna say: Don’t listen to her! She is now definitely gaming; girl style. If she says SHIT like this again, tell her Jane has a mouth and a tongue and will tell you herself if she’s creeped out or not. You don’t take second hand information, You get it straight from the horses mouth. Just turn around and ask Jane “Kate said this, I thought we knew each other well enough for you to be straight with me.” You also get a rep for not buying into gossip and NOT playing games. And if Kate (as I suspect) is lying - it blows her play out of the Aegean Sea. lol

All of the above is only my opinion; personal experience and lifelong study of human nature. But in another country.

Good luck and let us know how it goes.

Today, Jane on FB called me out. BIG TIME. Said, “Look, I know you’re ignoring me, and that’s fine. I thought you were cool, but clearly, you are not. So if you want to be an asshole, that’s fine with me, I don’t need to hangout with an asshole.” (Paraphrasing a long conversation).

So I played a part that I haven’t in a LONG time with a girl that I actually liked, but was trying to get in the sack: I was honest.

I apologized, told her I liked her, and that I’m confused b/c there’s kind of another girl at home, and that I don’t like girls more than just a “I wanna tap that” (hey, I’m 20 years old).

She seemed to be upset that I cared what other people say (people making fun of the way I act around her —mushiness and all that)

I told her let me worry about that, and said I was going to slow down on the mushiness.

She actually really seemed unaffected (aside from her being REALLY pissed at me).

But she made it seem that she wanted me to hangout w/ her 24/7. Finally, I calmed her down, assured that I have my douchebag/asshole moments, and then she invited me to hangout in her hotel room w/ her friend.

I declined.

I am going to back down a lot, still be somewhat friendly, and plan on going out to that same club on Friday with a bunch of people (she will probably join).

We’ll see what happens then.

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

Today, Jane on FB called me out. BIG TIME. Said, “Look, I know you’re ignoring me, and that’s fine. I thought you were cool, but clearly, you are not. So if you want to be an asshole, that’s fine with me, I don’t need to hangout with an asshole.” (Paraphrasing a long conversation).

So I played a part that I haven’t in a LONG time with a girl that I actually liked, but was trying to get in the sack: I was honest.

I apologized, told her I liked her, and that I’m confused b/c there’s kind of another girl at home, and that I don’t like girls more than just a “I wanna tap that” (hey, I’m 20 years old).

She seemed to be upset that I cared what other people say (people making fun of the way I act around her —mushiness and all that)

I told her let me worry about that, and said I was going to slow down on the mushiness.

She actually really seemed unaffected (aside from her being REALLY pissed at me).

But she made it seem that she wanted me to hangout w/ her 24/7. Finally, I calmed her down, assured that I have my douchebag/asshole moments, and then she invited me to hangout in her hotel room w/ her friend.

I declined.

I am going to back down a lot, still be somewhat friendly, and plan on going out to that same club on Friday with a bunch of people (she will probably join).

We’ll see what happens then.

I LIKE IT! Without being there, I think you did good.

[SteveO]

@lakerman34

Thank you for the help!

Didn’t say a single word to Jane or Kate today, although Jane asked me something, I kinda glared at her and said “Don’t worry about it” and walked away.

IDK, say what you want, but in the past, I learned that being a nice guy for a stretch of days, then playing the douchebag works with girls. They begin wondering why you are being “such an asshole,” and start missing the attention. I may take this approach (wish I had some IJ).

Fortunately, my roommate just happened to have his girlfriend and her sister come by today, and I was talking to the sister quite a lot, and made it evident to Jane.

Hey, people say they ‘don’t like games,’ but I’m convinced that’s what relationships, girls and boys, and sex are. Games.

If you play your cards right, you get the prize.

Like I said, I’d be VERY disappointed if nothing happened between us (now that I think about it, it has been a while since I actually closed), but it’s seeming more and more likely that it won’t.

Yesterday, Kate was telling me how when I got drunk I was getting “creepy” towards Jane, and wouldn’t stop touching her, and that annoyed her (although she seemed perfectly fine with a massage).

We’ll see. I’m going to Olympia for a couple of days, so we’ll see what I can do with this. However, I’m perfectly fine if I leave this trip and Jane and Kate think I’m a douchebag (they live in GA, me in PA).

ANYTHING to reach my goal, getting Jane in the sack.

Everybody loves playing games. What people don’t like are being played like a game.

[SteveO]

I think you got boundary tested. It sounds as if she was the one being an asshole and yet got you to apologize to her.

I think guys who play these seduction games are actually playing people (like I mentioned above). Then when a real potential for a relationship comes along they have no idea how to do it. Certain techniques can help you understand social dynamics and thus adjust your attitude to give yourself a fair shake at the tree. However life is much more complicated and there is no book, no technique, no style in the world that will teach you how to have a genuine relationship. Because genuine is as genuine does.

[lakerman34]

Well, reporting on the girl again. And the news…is… GREAT! The day that I apologized to her, I hung out with her and Kate on the pier, drinking beers, and went back to their hotel room. Kate fell asleep, Jane and I were on the computer for a little bit until she rested her head on my chest. So I got a kiss in, and got a cuddle sesh all night. Still yet, I felt like maybe this was a “your a nice guy, I’m in Greece, I know you like me, so I’ll give you a night of cuddling with me. And that’s it.” type of thing. A couple of days later, we were on a 5 hour bus ride. She couldn’t sleep, so I offered her my jacket (the driver had the AC on blast), and then sat down next to her giving her a headrest. I played little games with her (like holding our breath in tunnels) and she gave me her cute little 10 year old girl chuckle (I make fun of her for this all the time). There has been an ongoing joke on this trip that she and I are getting married. At the supermarket, I was at the spice rack on one knee looking for some bay leaf. Jokingly, I asked her to marry me. She said ‘sure,’ and it blew up from there. Girls are planning our wedding, people are asking if they can be invited, people asking me to be best man, etc. Fast forward to last night. There is a wine merchant who makes the best wine in Greece just around the corner. The guy is always happy, and ALWAYS drunk. He invited me, Kate, and Jane out to dinner (this is after I got to hang out with Jane and she dared me to make her dinner). Although I already made dinner, I put it in the refrigerator, and went out. The wine merchant was drunk and driving (which, for some reason, I don’t think is uncommon in Europe), and Jane was scared. I kept laughing and reassuring her that all would be well, and she held my hand VERY tightly. We get to the restaurant, and the wine merchant talks to Jane as if she’s my girlfriend. She keeps laughing and laughing, and the wine merchant keeps filling our glasses with wine. The wine merchant then mentions how we should visit an island together (just Jane and me). We plan it all out, and we are doing it next weekend. After dinner, the wine merchant wants some whiskey, so we drive to his friend’s bar. There, Kate left (not feeling well), and Jane and I really hit it off (mind you, we were very drunk). I made fun of her for her love of Eminem saying how Lil’ Wayne was way better (although I really do agree with her). Then, when it was time for us to walk back, Jane started talking about how she knew I was like “every other guy,” and after this trip, I was never going to want to see her again. Then, something came over me, I took off my crucifix necklace which has a lot of sentimental value to me, put it around her neck, told her the story of the necklace, and said ‘this is my promise that I will come visit you.’ As we walk back to my apartment, she starts saying how I should transfer to a school in Georgia (which I cannot do because my school, located in PA, I miraculously got into), and how I should visit during her niece’s birthday, and how I can stay at her apartment. She also mentioned that her mom really thinks that ‘Greek guys are keepers, and we can make the long distance relationship thing work.’ We get to the apartment, I give her a pair of shorts and a tshirt. Then we kiss, and go to bed together. I wake up at 9:30 in the morning to do laundry, and tell her I’m going to make her breakfast. She begs me to come back to bed. I do. We stay in bed until 1. We talk quite a bit, she calls me “gay,” “fag,” “such a girl,” and I call her “douche” and “loser.” Whenever I go in for a kiss, I land it. She just left about two and a half hours ago, and we are (hopefully) meeting up at 8:30 for dinner, and maybe a club tonight. Next week at the island, I will have my decision made if I want to pursue this LDR, and will tell her I’m all for it (or not). The only thing I don’t like about this girl is, well, her family. Although her parents are divorced, they seem like the stereotypical southern, white, semi-racist, redneck type of bunch. But Jane doesn’t seem like that, so I think I may have found a keeper. OH, and to keep it Phero-related, whenever I know she’s going to bed with me, ALWAYS spritz on some TUTH. Otherwise, the standard Ammo, CTTM2, A314 mix. What say you guys?

[Astrea]

@lakerman34

Well, reporting on the girl again. And the news…is… GREAT! The day that I apologized to her, I hung out with her and Kate on the pier, drinking beers, and went back to their hotel room. Kate fell asleep, Jane and I were on the computer for a little bit until she rested her head on my chest. So I got a kiss in, and got a cuddle sesh all night. Still yet, I felt like maybe this was a “your a nice guy, I’m in Greece, I know you like me, so I’ll give you a night of cuddling with me. And that’s it.” type of thing. A couple of days later, we were on a 5 hour bus ride. She couldn’t sleep, so I offered her my jacket (the driver had the AC on blast), and then sat down next to her giving her a headrest. I played little games with her (like holding our breath in tunnels) and she gave me her cute little 10 year old girl chuckle (I make fun of her for this all the time). There has been an ongoing joke on this trip that she and I are getting married. At the supermarket, I was at the spice rack on one knee looking for some bay leaf. Jokingly, I asked her to marry me. She said ‘sure,’ and it blew up from there. Girls are planning our wedding, people are asking if they can be invited, people asking me to be best man, etc. Fast forward to last night. There is a wine merchant who makes the best wine in Greece just around the corner. The guy is always happy, and ALWAYS drunk. He invited me, Kate, and Jane out to dinner (this is after I got to hang out with Jane and she dared me to make her dinner). Although I already made dinner, I put it in the refrigerator, and went out. The wine merchant was drunk and driving (which, for some reason, I don’t think is uncommon in Europe), and Jane was scared. I kept laughing and reassuring her that all would be well, and she held my hand VERY tightly. We get to the restaurant, and the wine merchant talks to Jane as if she’s my girlfriend. She keeps laughing and laughing, and the wine merchant keeps filling our glasses with wine. The wine merchant then mentions how we should visit an island together (just Jane and me). We plan it all out, and we are doing it next weekend. After dinner, the wine merchant wants some whiskey, so we drive to his friend’s bar. There, Kate left (not feeling well), and Jane and I really hit it off (mind you, we were very drunk). I made fun of her for her love of Eminem saying how Lil’ Wayne was way better (although I really do agree with her). Then, when it was time for us to walk back, Jane started talking about how she knew I was like “every other guy,” and after this trip, I was never going to want to see her again. Then, something came over me, I took off my crucifix necklace which has a lot of sentimental value to me, put it around her neck, told her the story of the necklace, and said ‘this is my promise that I will come visit you.’ As we walk back to my apartment, she starts saying how I should transfer to a school in Georgia (which I cannot do because my school, located in PA, I miraculously got into), and how I should visit during her niece’s birthday, and how I can stay at her apartment. She also mentioned that her mom really thinks that ‘Greek guys are keepers, and we can make the long distance relationship thing work.’ We get to the apartment, I give her a pair of shorts and a tshirt. Then we kiss, and go to bed together. I wake up at 9:30 in the morning to do laundry, and tell her I’m going to make her breakfast. She begs me to come back to bed. I do. We stay in bed until 1. We talk quite a bit, she calls me “gay,” “fag,” “such a girl,” and I call her “douche” and “loser.” Whenever I go in for a kiss, I land it. She just left about two and a half hours ago, and we are (hopefully) meeting up at 8:30 for dinner, and maybe a club tonight. Next week at the island, I will have my decision made if I want to pursue this LDR, and will tell her I’m all for it (or not). The only thing I don’t like about this girl is, well, her family. Although her parents are divorced, they seem like the stereotypical southern, white, semi-racist, redneck type of bunch. But Jane doesn’t seem like that, so I think I may have found a keeper. OH, and to keep it Phero-related, whenever I know she’s going to bed with me, ALWAYS spritz on some TUTH. Otherwise, the standard Ammo, CTTM2, A314 mix. What say you guys?

Yay! Congrats! All very solid behaviours and moves I like them. I have the same issue with parental units. Ugly-mouthed, nasty bigots. It always STUNS me that we (allegedly) share DNA. Don’t let that put you off, just yet. But - have fun on the island!

[lakerman34]

@Astrea

Yay! Congrats! All very solid behaviours and moves I like them. I have the same issue with parental units. Ugly-mouthed, nasty bigots. It always STUNS me that we (allegedly) share DNA. Don’t let that put you off, just yet. But - have fun on the island!

Thank you!

So, last night she stayed over again. I tried to get in a little more, but all she wants to do is cuddle, kiss, and that’s it. I respect that a lot, but it’s weird for me considering she tells me about her sex history and past. Makes me wonder why she isn’t willing to make passionate love, because for her, that’s what I have to offer.

She also keeps telling me that ‘she’s not stupid, and she knows how this story goes. Once she goes back home, I’ll never see her again.’ Whatever I say, I can’t seem to prove otherwise.

I have another week with her. She leaves bright and early Monday morning. I’m REALLY pushing for this island thing, but she seems quite content staying in the ugly city of Athens.

Part of me thinks that the reason why she won’t just let me make love to her is because she’s afraid of attachment, and feels that I may just be that ‘looking to get some frat boy.’ I’ve told her time and time again that, yes, that description accurately fits me, but with her, it’s different. She doesn’t seem to believe me.

I’m worried about when she leaves. I know she’s going to be on my mind quite a lot, probably for months. I’m hoping we’ll keep up together on Skype, texts, and phone calls, and that I am able to see her in Georgia.

Anybody got any advice on LDRs?

[rohitiyer10]

@lakerman34

Thank you!

So, last night she stayed over again. I tried to get in a little more, but all she wants to do is cuddle, kiss, and that’s it. I respect that a lot, but it’s weird for me considering she tells me about her sex history and past. Makes me wonder why she isn’t willing to make passionate love, because for her, that’s what I have to offer.

She also keeps telling me that ‘she’s not stupid, and she knows how this story goes. Once she goes back home, I’ll never see her again.’ Whatever I say, I can’t seem to prove otherwise.

I have another week with her. She leaves bright and early Monday morning. I’m REALLY pushing for this island thing, but she seems quite content staying in the ugly city of Athens.

Part of me thinks that the reason why she won’t just let me make love to her is because she’s afraid of attachment, and feels that I may just be that ‘looking to get some frat boy.’ I’ve told her time and time again that, yes, that description accurately fits me, but with her, it’s different. She doesn’t seem to believe me.

I’m worried about when she leaves. I know she’s going to be on my mind quite a lot, probably for months. I’m hoping we’ll keep up together on Skype, texts, and phone calls, and that I am able to see her in Georgia.

Anybody got any advice on LDRs?

IMO, you shouldn’t really ever be caught up on one woman. And NEVER do LDRs. Waste of time and energy.

Also The less desperate you are to get with a woman, the more value you’ll show the her.

If you’re still looking to get with her, then make sure not to come off as that weird over pursuing guy. Women don’t want a clingy guy.

[SteveO]

You’re a good guy Lakerman34, but I feel that you have some blinders on. Summer romances have a way of romanticizing everything. There’s nothing wrong with it, but from my perspective, only from what you wrote already, she is distant because maybe she doesn’t want it to happen anyway. She is keeping you at arms length and getting you to swoon over her. She has the best of both worlds right now.

I really hope your cross isn’t too sentimental.

She loves all the attention she is getting, is using jealousy to get even more and yet, she can’t make a commitment to you. So ask yourself, what exactly has she done for you? Has she done anything at all?