My take on Pheromones and Neurotransmitters.

Initial observation: Numerous reports of certain pheromones causing effects ranging from tired/drowsy/lethargic feelings, crankiness and moodiness, and mild to severe headaches. Now before I started experimenting with pheromones I was very much into kickboxing and weight training. I’ve experienced these symptoms when I would overtrain. Overtraining depletes neurotransmitters and this effect on brain chemistry can result in any or all of the above listed effects. When I began taking supplements with neurotransmitter precursors and supporters my mood improved as well as my concentration and ability to focus and remain alert.

Question stemming from observation: If neurotransmitters are depleted by pheromone exposure (likely due to high doses activating parts of the brain that aren’t usually stimulated so strongly) would higher levels of neurotransmitters in the brain enhance the positive effects of pheromones?

Hypothesis: I’m thinking the answer is yes. I think if two people are exposed to the same phero signature and one, due either to genetics, nutrition or whatever has higher levels of certain key neurotransmitters the one with the higher NT levels will be more responsive to the pheromones.
Think of pheromone exposure being akin to stepping on the gas pedal of a car…and one car simply has more fuel, that one will go a lot farther.

Experiment set up: Fortunately I work with a lot of younger females that work part time and are also students. This is helpful as they also tend to take summer classes. Now for this experiment I purchased a couple of bottles of an over the counter supplement containing a b vitamin complex, some key amino acids and certain neurotransmitter precursors like choline, acetyl-L-carnitine, DMAE and certain herbs. 5 of the girls were given a supply of the supplements and instructed to take them on a Monday/Wednesday/Friday protocol for four weeks and then report to me their take on if it helped with memory, focus or alertness.

The results: During the first week I noticed nothing until Friday. From Friday on, the results were about what I expected. I wore a combination of 3 drops of A314 and one spray each of Instant Shine and Heavy Ammo.
The mood of the girls taking the supplements improved noticeably. Now this could be either because of an increase in the effects of Shine or simply because having higher NT levels in general can improve mood so I disregard that part of the findings.

However, while I noted no real difference in suggested compliance between the supplement group and the rest of the office (if I made a work related request of anyone of either group, they were as likely to comply as the other), I did however note that the supplement group was more inclined to voluntary compliance than the non supplement takers. IE; they seemed substantially more inclined to offer help with work related projects or ask if I needed them to do anything for me.

I also noticed that the supplement takers were more inclined to make physical contact with me over the course of the day. On average the girls taking the supplements would initiate physical contact (nothing overtly sexual mind you) as much as 8 times per day above the non takers. This included bumping into me, touching my arm during conversations etc.
Eye contact seemed both more frequent and longer during conversations with the supplement group than with non takers. (I say “seemed” because keeping a count of minutes of conversation DURING a conversation at work is MUCH harder than keeping track of incidents of kino so no accurate comparison beyond my perception.)

I did notice however that normally all the girls in the office wear pants most of the time and skirts only occasionally that from the start of the third week on four of the five supplement takers had started wearing skirts exclusively. My take on this is that the increased response to the masculine dominant signal caused them to possibly feel more feminine and they dressed accordingly. No such change in the non supplement group.

In addition since taking the supplements, two of the five girls changed their hair color. One to straight blond, the other light brown with some highlights/streaks of blond. (some experts theorize that blond hair evolved as an attention getter for women to attract men…subsequently far more dark haired women lighten their color than the reverse) Both have initiated conversations with me about my thoughts on the new look. Approval seeking?

Conclusions: While hardly conclusive proof. (only several university conducted, double blind, placebo controlled experiments could do that) this does lead me to believe that higher pheromone levels in the brain of the signal recipient can diminish negative effects (I actually noticed little to no negatives from either group) and thus allow the positive effects to be magnified slightly, but still noticeably.

Now…the reason for this from an evolutionary perspective. Pheromones are communicative substances evolved to give others information about ourselves. But it’s also BAIT, for potential mates and as any fisherman will tell you, what you catch depends not only on where you fish, but what bait you choose. Think about it, we release a phero signal to make ourselves more attractive, but who do we want to attract? Well obviously we even as “provider/protector” males want a female that will provide healthy offspring. High levels of key neurotransmitters are very indicative of health both from a hereditary standpoint (chronic depression is hereditary) and from a lifestyle/success standpoint (starvation/malnutrition can cause NT deficiencies). So my strong signal when received by a woman that’s poorly fed, or has a family history of emotional problems due to NT balance might cause headaches, depression, lethargy, or fatigue. But my signal, when received by a female that is healthy and has good levels of key NT’s indicating that she won’t starve or become weak while carrying my offspring…is highly effective.

Again, I’m no PhD but thats the quasi/pseudo scientific experiment I conducted over the past month and the results I got from it.

A very interesting theory. However, sometimes, too much neurotransmitter level is bad (ie Schizophrenia = excessive dopamine; manic episodes = excess norepinephrine). I think it is all about moderation. The fact that those that have properly functioning brains respond more readily/ positively to “outer signals” might have some evolutionary implications.

Hmm… I wonder if mones can drive those that have psychiatric problems, such as the ones I mentioned above, crazy or insane :open_mouth:

Wow! I nominated this post man, for the amazing write up and for the extent of work you went into testing this theory out.

I would love to respond more, but past couple of days I’ve been getting up at 4 am and going to bed aroun midnight or 1 am and everytime I start to write, I come across as tarded.

I will be coming back to this thread. I also would love to know what supplements you are taking / giving them if you don’t mind my asking.

Very interesting I also nominated this thank you for all the work that you put into this experiment… this definitly shines alot of light on some things that have happened since I started using pheromones that I didn’t understand.

Did you involve the second group (the one not taking vitamins) at all in the experiment? I definitely believe your theory could be true but like you admitted it wasn’t completely by the book and I’m wondering whether being more involved in the experiment (taking pills/powders, reporting changes to you, etc.) could have been at least in part responsible for the changes in behavior and/or attraction.

I still think it’s an excellent theory and it would be interesting to see you continue.

Damn good write up. I have been drinking though, and will have to read more on it in the morning after I sober up a bit. :smiley:

Even worse if they drive us all nuts. The customer database will be handed over to all user’s respective authorities and we all get tracked down like the mad dogs we’ve become.:open_mouth:

I think my line for opening would be, “excuse me, do you take vitamin supplements?” :smiley:

Great report Radman

Always a gem

Very cool report and it would be interesting to see a university take it on and see if your results are on target.

No, and in hindsight I see what you mean. The simple fact that the supplement group new they were involved in SOME kind of experiment conducted by me could in and of itself create a sort of status position and requires a bit of compliance that might taint the results. Perhaps at a later date I’ll try again and include a placebo group. This would be much more scientific and would eliminate percieved status and compliance as the placebo group would be in the same position as the main group.

the product is called mindpower rx it’s pretty potent and even the makers of the product recommend taking it on alternate days or even every third day.

Great write up. I have been thinking about this myself every since I first tried shine. I immediately felt similar effects on my first use of shine as I did during my drug testing years. I had a friend actually get enhanced color visuals on her first application. I have wondered if increasing B vitamins would increase the effectiveness of self effects. Maybe I will do some testing on myself.

Great write up for sure! Nom & Rep.

Now this is just me thinking about your hypothosis… From an evolutionary standpoint, someone with healthy levels of vitamins and hormones all around and someone with depleted weak levels seem to me might BOTH be attracted to a person with a strong healthy pheromone sig, because evolution states that those organisms that adapt best to their environment, “stay around” so to speak…really, those “weak” or non supplementing women would be much more apt to respond positively to a strong pheromone sig, to make up for their lack or to “get in” on the evolutionary process. …

You would think so since being basically in a state of need (an underfed prehistoric female would be in dire need of a provider/protector) But she would also be from an evolutionary and prehistoric standpoint “high maintenance” While the healthier female is probably being well fed by a father figure and/or brothers and other family members which would imply youth and thus more breeding years ahead of her. (trying not to sound objectifying, just looking at the possibilities of how and why from an evolutionary perspective) So as a male, putting out a signal that would attract a genetically fit and young female with a family that has been successfully providing for her up until her breeding age while creating discomfort and/or unease in unhealthy females or females that are bordering on starvation (IE no male relatives for me to ally myself with) is advantageous to me.

I can definitely how the mones of a fit and healthy successful male attracting the attention of a female in need would help her and be logically advantageous but that doesn’t seem to fit with the results of the experiment.

Now granted none of the women I work with are starving from lack of a good hunter bring fresh Mammoth meat to the cave, but let’s be honest here. The average American can be both well fed and malnourished at the same time. Our diets provide calories and basic macro nutrients but are woefully lacking in essential vitamins, minerals and trace elements. Hence the result of the supplement group still showing an increase in responsiveness in spite of us not living in the hard times of Cro Magnon man.

Excellent point, and I do like how they all started to wear skirts to give you a whiff of their cops :slight_smile:

I was at Sam’s the other day and they had Focus Factor on sale there so I picked up a bottle. Between the mones and this I’ll be honest at times my memory is scaring me.
I looked at a telephone number one time and was able to effectively recall it. I was not even attempting to memorize it.
Then at another time I was glancing at a truck saw the license plate and ten next thing you know I recited it and it was correct.

I guess I should compare the formulas and see what’s up.

Yeah that one I didn’t catch onto right away. I’d been getting hits across the board with most of my coworkers but this was harder to pick up on since it was a decision made before they saw me on any particular day. I’m almost tempted to ask why the change in fashion direction.

I just checked out the Dr’s site that sells that product and there’s a bunch there I’m going to try.
The prostate one (been diagnosed a couple of times with prostate cancer, only after months of testing to get to biopsy and nothing), passion, eye sight, sleep and diet one…LOL
Looks like he has some good product there, thx man.

Yeah and he doesn’t come off like a charlatan out for a buck. He actually advises against using multiple products together and against using many of the products every day…both pieces of advice that would slow down follow up purchases. A scammer would want you to use as much product as fast and often as possible.

amazing report, rad.

I never considered the health of the NT in the signal recipient.

When I started using mones I had also started working out and have been using a variety of amino acid and vitamin supplements.

But it makes sense to also think about the health of the recipient and how well they respond.

So many factors but on an evolutionary scale, it makes absolute sense for the healthier recipient to respond more favorably.