some snippets from the past (tacitus)
Digging through some old emails, I thought I would post these snippets that I misplaced before:
Digging through some old emails, I thought I would post these snippets that I misplaced before:
tacitus:
> Since for some reason I can’t post…
>
>
> You have been using mones for 20 plus years… And doing meisner,
> bodywork, NLP for a long time also. Why is it that you are experiencing
> such major shifts only now? What was the catalyst?
An estimation, at best: numerous sub-strands or internal threads of “ego
structure” slowly, organically evolve over time, under the radar of day to
day struggles… first the individual strands need to be attended to… so
one invests in the particular, finding the best drama people and going
through that, learning the fine points of pheromones and how best to use
them… et c. Then I have some perception of a secondary process where
the strands begin to weave together into a higher dimensional tapestry, or
like ensemble jazz improvization some aspects are foregrounded and some
recede but play suppporting roles, then the figure-ground relationship
changes… we’re taling about deep processes… even the serious
psychologists wrtiting for the professional reader have difficulty
expressing this…’
>
> Why should mones do this? I can see a virtuous cycle with say a314 and
> experimenting with higher status behaviour… How else?
Better understood as a relational field between people which is greatly
amplified by the pheromones, the critical factor is the quality of the
relational field,so let’s assume a strong relational field, add to that
NLP and Ericksonian skill sets, good motivation and “positive mutual
regard” (as opposed to, say, egotistic sense of triumph)… a pinch of
some shamanic tendency… I’d guess that someone with no Other Than
Conscious Communication training (NLP or whatever) would have a harder
time getting into the drift of it…
>
> One channel is that they strip away the veneer covering the social matrix
> and give one the possibility of becoming aware of interactions at a
> reptilian and mammalian level. Mones aren’t necessary for this, but even
> androsteNone helps make the dynamic of dominance, for example, more
> evident.
I’m guessing-hallucinating that there may be more to this, consciousness
may have not so well understood structure or qualities which are both
unimaginably profound and ludicrously simple at the same time… in other
words, we may be “talking within the box” when we believe we have some
mastery of the subject… when the subject may be so much larger than our
ideas of what constitutes the box ?
>
> Feel free to cc reply to the forum…
tacitus:
> Not such an easy path to remain an independent thinker within an
> Institution.
No, it certainly isn’t. There are constant, often overwhelming pressures
to be drafted into the groupthink. I firmly believe that early childhood
experiences that give the child a sense of both (and this is absolutely
critical) deep self confidence and clear conviction, both moral and
intellectual, as well as the flexibility to constantly adjust to changes
in external reality, whether they be great macro shifts, or often more
importantly, fine nuances of change… so often I have seen a “false
strength syndrome” that is, IMO, a way of reacting to low self confidence,
one must always have the suppleness to know, regardless of circumstances,
that one can freely think for oneself…
> [redacted]
You know… this is too mysterious for me… I’m having at this moment a
parallel conversation with another party that is almost the exact mirror
of this one… did I somehow walk through a synchronicity portal ?
Well, OK.. a life changing decision… given what I now know, one of my
chief criteria is nurturance … does the proposed
environment/relationship offer consistent, and here consistency is a key
issue, nurturance as part of the whole sphere of performance ??? I think
there is always a recognition, conscious or unconscious, whether you have
a human safety net under you or not… low nurturant environments often do
extract an initial performance spike, followed by a long tail to
burnout… and it is burnout you must avoid…
tacitus:
constantly scan everything… my thought was shaped largely by my great
grandfather, who I knew and died when I was 9, a close confidant of Harry
Truman and one of the authors of the Marshall Plan, GATT, and the Bretton
Woods accords… interesting man because he had a limited education, went
to work after the 8th grade, not even high school… so he developed the
ability to think about the most complex subject in the simplest terms, the
key here was in the choice of images and metaphors that allow one to
penetrate to the essence of the condition… so of course Stalin didn’t
fool him for a minute, when grand intellectuals were sucked into that
fantasy, and Gromyko who could intimidate anyone only could sit and stare
at him… this simple country man.. his primary lesson was not the raw
news as given, but what was hidden in it, why was it stated in a
particular way, what was being left out, how did the assemblage of stories
point to a deeper truth ?
tacitus:
>How long before one gets habituated to Glauberman
> do you think?
good question… I went through a Glaub phase of nonstop self
programming… even now, not having used it in 2 months, out of the blue I
will be hit with a fully unexpected whoosh of change… a wholly new
sense of self or world… such as last night… amazed me… Petra had no
faith in them, uses them for a brief time, and out of nowhere meets the
man of her dreams… and her perception/behavior/outcomes are dramatically
different than anything I was prepared to believe about her… how much
is the content and how much is just hemispheric coordination ? I’d say the
perception of knowing it, being habituated, may not fully align with the
results, those may be slowly developing under the surface of consciousness
for a while longer, esp. if you are digging down into other layers of
self…
tacitus:
Now that a fairly long learning (meisner, method, others) have integrated
into the “unconscious behavioral self” I’m having a great time, a
wonderful time really, when the actor training spontaneously surfaces,
almost like having an extra perceptual channel or a new set of muscles…
I think NLP is well bleneded into the compost of self as well. Pester
Glauberman, ask him to do a Meisner or actor’s development set… Lord
knows, there is a vast market for people who need these skills in the NYC
area, his home base…
tacitus:
Good stuff can come out of (seemingly) nowhere… you might set a course
to a cluster of self betterment practices, with no predefined payoff…
example, last night I decided, purely on a lark, tho try one of Jeff
Thompsons “gamma” meditation CDs as the background to a long
eroto-meditative massage evening… pheros were involved too… out of
the blue, I’m seeing these Tantric thought forms… lovely things and
wholly indescribable.. and my lovely thing is going into some kind of
gamma trance too, and we’re sending all this body-mind energy back and
forth…
there was a consciosness psychedelia… extrordinary… much better than a
pint of swill…
tacitus:
> You have been using mones for 20 plus years… And doing meisner,
> bodywork, NLP for a long time also. Why is it that you are experiencing
> such major shifts only now? What was the catalyst?
An estimation, at best: numerous sub-strands or internal threads of “ego
structure” slowly, organically evolve over time, under the radar of day to
day struggles… first the individual strands need to be attended to… so
one invests in the particular, finding the best drama people and going
through that, learning the fine points of pheromones and how best to use
them… et c. Then I have some perception of a secondary process where
the strands begin to weave together into a higher dimensional tapestry, or
like ensemble jazz improvization some aspects are foregrounded and some
recede but play suppporting roles, then the figure-ground relationship
changes… we’re taling about deep processes… even the serious
psychologists wrtiting for the professional reader have difficulty
expressing this…’
>
> Why should mones do this? I can see a virtuous cycle with say a314 and
> experimenting with higher status behaviour… How else?
Better understood as a relational field between people which is greatly
amplified by the pheromones, the critical factor is the quality of the
relational field,so let’s assume a strong relational field, add to that
NLP and Ericksonian skill sets, good motivation and “positive mutual
regard” (as opposed to, say, egotistic sense of triumph)… a pinch of
some shamanic tendency… I’d guess that someone with no Other Than
Conscious Communication training (NLP or whatever) would have a harder
time getting into the drift of it…
>
> One channel is that they strip away the veneer covering the social matrix
> and give one the possibility of becoming aware of interactions at a
> reptilian and mammalian level. Mones aren’t necessary for this, but even
> androsteNone helps make the dynamic of dominance, for example, more
> evident.
I’m guessing-hallucinating that there may be more to this, consciousness
may have not so well understood structure or qualities which are both
unimaginably profound and ludicrously simple at the same time… in other
words, we may be “talking within the box” when we believe we have some
mastery of the subject… when the subject may be so much larger than our
ideas of what constitutes the box ?
tacitus:
From Nov 2007
The Doomsayer… my worry dating back to March 2007, when we started
talking about this, was that a creeping deflation dynamic could gain
traction… reasoning: in an overcapacity (or anti-scarcity )
environment, it is easy, rational, etc.. to defer spending because you
know it will be cheaper tomorrow, or you will have a better negotiating
position next month so you don’t enter discussions this month, or money
will be cheaper next month so why go to the bank today ?
Seen in a motivation light, an inflationary, asset chasing worldview, is
“do it today, preferably do it yesterday”… so the inflationary
psychology is urgent, dynamic, competitive… it morphs into an auction
market… deflation is the great unknown Yin to inflation’s behavioral
Yang… where slowness is more profitable than speed, deferrral better
than action, and bidding wars give way to product pitches…
tacitus:
Emwave is on the #1 setting… best I can manage… boy does it help if
you use it regularly, both for business mindfuness and socially… others
relax when one is relaxed… THAT’s the ticket right there, nothing else
needed if you have a modicum of social skill… just deep relaxation,
confidence…
Also use the Thoughstream GSR device at night when I read…
tacitus:
btw… have been using my nova pro mind macnine with the blue led glasses
at low brightness… set at mmmm around 20% power… this is quite nice
in the evening… with the meds, it seems to untangle the wires… that
and maybe 20-40 minutes of biofeeback with the emwave (I have 2 now)…
the whole is absolutely greater than the sum of the parts…
P.S. reaction to .25 cut indicates latent anxiety… was watching as it
sold off like a waterfall… infer that B.B. sees the fed pinched between
the two “flations”
tacitus:
Dec 2007
overcapacity… to squeeze this down, we now innovate and manufacure
faster than the natural arc of obsolescence… depression ? well.. it may
be this: we’ve got too much of everything and simply need some time to
stop consuming so we can use what we’ve got… ten, fifteen years of
gorging unwind in two, three ? The lessons of the G.D. were a lot of crap
has to be gotten rid of before new jobs, new projects made any sense…
…
I’m second guessing, I think there is institutional memory of the LTCM
rescue, and a lot of macroids are thinking the same pattern is unfolding,
a global meldown-despair story, the idiots are forced to cooperate, and
pow, melt up… that’s just mind reading… if larger forces are at work,
things beyond quantification… hope the parachutes are correctly packed.
tacitus:
Dec 2007
interesting, esp in light of the M3 liquidity analysis you sent
yesterday… I’ve read the newspapers (the actual yellowed physical
copies, not excerpts or post mortems) from the crash of 1929 aand after…
they spoke glowingly of how the market was stabilizing well after a “brief
flurry” of selling… hoooooo…
Also read the rise of Hitler in the same manner, primary sources… they
mocked him as a nobody, said his panzer corps were slow and cumbersome…
and called him by his mother’s family name, Schikelgruber… I was
wondering, who the hell is this Schikelgruber ? OH… him, got it…
tacitus:
Dec 2007
unsuccinctly gnomic as usual… hadn’t considered the Physiocrats in a
good long time… we should think about a world of mass divergence of
interests that has matured past outright theater war as a rebalancing
mechanism (wars, hot or cold, are ultimately about resource access and
distribution… dare anyone mention the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity
Sphere ?) yet… yet… here are the same basic resource conflicts… the
need for energy either as simple carbons (oil, gas, coal) or complex
carbons (grains, proteins) or water… weird that China is facing a true
water crisis, their water is so contaminated it is approaching Kazakh
standards, and the Middle East has always been a millenial water war at
root… M.E. has the oil but not the labor nor the food, China has the
labor but not the energy, we have the food but need the labor (imported or
offshored, cheap labor is the crack cocaine of the US economy, note all
those wretchedly built subprime houses didn’t assemble themselves))…
and… the “glue” that held it all together is-was a superfluid, think
phase II liquified helium, system of money pipes…
tacitus:
Dec 2007
IME the most compelling things to read are the day to day thoughts, the
telling ordinary human stuff… how news was received, how changes were
emotionally processed… must say… and nobody seems to want to report
this, there are a shocking number of unleased and seemingly unleasable
ground floor commercial properties in good parts of manhhatan… here’s a
real “tell”… some of the projects have been stopped in mid conversion…
such as a well known chinese restaurant that has been there through every
downturn, they put down a beautiful new floor then locked up and closed
the place… or a cluster of premium items, my favorite razor blades, not
being stocked… and not replaced with anything… just a large empty
shelf… this is in a super-prime part of the west village BTW… a
statistical blip or not ? Jury is still debating.
tacitus:
this has been an open question for the systems thinkers… do complex
systems leverage and deleverage because this is a basic structural law of
nature ? Or do ideas long outlive their usefulness while better ideas are
waiting to be heard, or simply does on generation come in as revolutionary
and go out as reactionary ?
In the current instance, I’d guess that Franken-Keynsianism worked too
well for too long because of the unplanned for rise of American unilateral
power, nobody imagined the surge of confidence and willingness to invest
in the post cold war world… resulting in what looked like a perfect
model, and since the model looked perfect for the nonce, everybody wanted
to emulate a winning formula, when they were spending down a massive peace
dividend… for a while, more did create more… now we hit the
Schumpeter breakdown… for the system to regenerate and purge itself of
overcapacity, it must digest the excess of the last wave so a new cycle
of investment can begin… however, this time it must do this against the
grain of population dynamics, so civilizations will have to use exognes
from the less developed economies to restart the process…
tacitus:
> sometimes humour a way to avoid grappling with an uncomfortable issue ?
>
> thats a rather english approach. ----- Original Message -----
monkeys must do it too… humor, possibly, is a way of searching for a
clarifying mental model… when humor works it comes through like a flash
of comprehension, an unexpected connection or something “hidden in plain
sight” is made visible…
tacitus:
> what is the new music saying about our future? you read plato on music
> and politics? what are the hip emerging trends today? i thougyht it was
> poetic a vintage 1920s evening here (high sleb attendance, lots of cool
> in-the-know people despite that) that started in 2003 is coming to an end
> this evening.
Well… culture is incredibly prismatic at the moment… “old new” and
“new old”… like a yearning for old styles, KT Tunstall and her torch
singing, far out jazz… I’m hearing (and get sensing) an unusual amount
of 60’s radical music, even in Starbucks, old garage bands… maybe that
60’s thing started up about the time subprime got moving, I do feel the
awakening of a generation in it, the yearning for a “60’s moment”…
tacitus:
Dec 2007
> yep this is nothing really like anything i am aware of historically but
> it seems to be of the same magnitude as problems of late 1920s. let’s
> hope it it resolved in a better way.
You know, back then many adult males in power had syphilis and it made
them irrational… (my great uncle treated a number of them)… and we
had no stabilizing mechanisms like today… not to mention primitive
communication… intoxicated with mad leaders and fully broken societies
horribly traumatized by the first world war… so I’m confident we’ll see
no implosions like that…
in 1929 it would have been pretty
> hard to imagine how things would start to develop ten years later. 2020
> isn’t so far away, and it’s interesting that various war cycles start to
> tick up into that date.
This is a new thing we’ve wandered up to… the Y or Z generation is deep
down, terrified at the magnitude of the task facing them… and I bet they
will find a way to seize power and declare the Fogies obsolete…
environmental concerns are destined to be thing #1 …
i don’t expect total and utter disaster tomorrow,
> but i have a bad feeling and expect when we look back in ten years we will
> see this time as beginning of a significant change in phase. but takes a
> long time sometimes for obvious to
> play out.
Ron Paul and his ilk are the foretaste of things to come… we are very,
very likely to see a generational transfer of power and responsibility
that takes our breath away… there is real urgency in this, and it is
more than personal urgency, it is a felt plantary survival urgency,
cellular DNA urgency…
i was expecting the fed to stop raising rates in early 2005
> after all, because it seemed obvious further hikes would damage the credit
> markets. ha!
Are they a lot dumber than generally believed ? In 2005 all sights were on
the job market… we lived and died by employment numbers… maybe they
thought if wages could be kept stable, productivity ever increasing,
housing would take up the slack, and oil would soon be $20 bbl. ? There
were so many cross linked assumptiuons back then… Bush would be
remembered as one of America’s great presidents ?
[quote=tacitus]
> risky events cluster (‘bad things happen in bear markets’) and people
> extrapolate linearly from recent experience.
Once the brain has logged in major success… for most minds, perhaps
except for the most exceptional, it becomes impossible to deviate from
that winning formula… ergo the studies of how few corporations are able
to retool across major changes and are merged or liquidated eventually…
> there is always a young
> turk looking to make his way by taking a little more and a little less
> conventional risk. and if you don’t play the ponzi scheme as an investor
> they take the money away.
That’s a curious sytemic element… one is forced to play the game as
designed , then build in the biases and mental models of that game, then
cannot adapt… the breakdown clusters are actually failures of the brain
to image new realities and exploit them ?
> so perhaps it’s an emergent property of
> speculative capitalism given human nature. and yes also the (former young
> turk, now establishment) promoters of ideas outlive their usefulness and i
> think kuhn had it right on that front.
>
> one thing i think that faciltated the regulators being asleep was a
> mistaken belief about the nature of free markets that arises easily from
> the lately more influential chicago school framework.
Perhaps the Chicago model worked too well in concert with the breakdown of
the Soviet model, as a means of rapid transition … however, we created
a near monster of gangstgerism in thr 1990s over there via shock therapy,
and Putin for sure is a product of that shock therapy, which you could
well say is Chicago 1920s school of operation… while Kodorkhovski rots
in prison…
> if you’re going to
> interfere with markets by providing deposit insurance and preventing
> competition in currency then standing back and saying ‘anything goes’
well… you get these nutty confluences of unfettered opportunity with a
state sponsored put option built in… a perfect recipe for moral hazeard
> (ah,
> how sweet the change from major to minor. funny the link between music
> and markets) is not a neutral stance to be applauded by libertarians. but
> of course the fed and fdic hardly have been the most exciting topics of
> late and most free market thinktanks receive lots of corporate funding…
tacitus:
was reading something on the correlation of humor and personal success…
those with the best sense of humor have a tendency to rise higher in
organizations, make more money over lifetimes, and have fewer health
problems… OK.. admittedly there is dumb humor, but there is also a form
of humor which is a type of very sophisticated thinking offered in a
agreeable form, there can be avoidant humor too… I’m all for humor as a
way of expanding the suppleness of the mind, playing with unexpected
combinations of ideas, slipping past defense mechanisms… humor+wisdom
can be the finest thing we have…