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well said… SPOT ON!
I WAS this guy… i was never “taught” those things but i was always uncomfortable or maybe afraid of rejection when going in for the 1st kiss… even going up to talk to a girl. I’ve overcome that, now that im married LMAO, talking to women has never been easier. Actually, reading posts like yours on this website and following some threads on the PUA forum have helped me become the person i knew i could. My “hits” and the converstations that follow them are friggin awesome LOL.
Sorry for the hijack happykitsune
~Haz~
I do not lol. He has hugged me and held my hand on the last date we went on, but that’s about it.
He was raised in a christian home and works at a church with my uncle so he is careful not to make a wrong move. Idk if thats the reason why he hasn’t kissed me yet.
Trying to behave is he (or might he be)? Well, you could be a total imp, and wear a sexy, nasty cops-heavy mix, lol. Then sit back and watch him struggle 
LMAO! That would be such a funny and amusing idea Sillykitty. And totally something I would do ;D
I’ve done this with the Pseudo-TG, Mr. 23 Year Old. It made him wide-eyed, nervous, jittery, he dropped things, his mouth was obviously dry when he tried talking to me… but he still did nothing about it. So yeah, he’s no longer a TG. 
I’m with everyone else, Kitsune. Move on to someone who has more confidence in who he is. He’s out there!
I’m with Ariadne, definitely move on…unless of course, you want to give him one last chance (and make him really sweat, of course ). At least have a “last hurrah”, lol.
I think I’m gonna give him one last chance since I had already invited him to an event at my church previously and he invited me to his dance at his college.
Now that I know what I’m looking for from him and have all this info I’ll be more observant and try to give him a fair chance Thanks guys
evil EVIL girly!! lol…
Good luck with ur male friend!
It shouldn’t be THIS complicated, that’s all I’m saying!!! lol…
Sha-la-la-la-la-la…lol…too cute …'cept I’d need Dramamine by the time this boy got around to it. Sheesh. 
Bella
Exactly, men have two states, hungry and horny, if he doesn’t have an erection, maybe he needs a sandwich.
Or, maybe he needs a sandwich…first.
Bella
LMAO!!! 
lol, if the boy is young and a really goody good type, IT’S possible he’s never kissed a girl.
That might be the situation.
My rule is if you have to think about something, don’t do it. Just let things happen naturally.
Lol, yeah your right. It shouldn’t be this complicated. Thanks for the video lol. I haven’t seen the Little Mermaid in forever
Nope, if I don;t get a kiss by the second date (I am charming)… Then I will schedule a third, on the third I will DTR on a blindside attack lol
If that we can be friends… LOL I’m joshing… I have like 3 friends that are girls… I date all female friends lol except my Pivot.
Kitsune, he’s not going to make the first move. If you want him, you’ll have to. I was “that guy” myself a long time go. Some day, when he gets frustrated enough with the failure and loneliness and, well, self enjoyment… he’ll do something to change things.
In the mean time… I can see that you want a man who makes it known when he finds a woman attractive instead of someone who is waiting for someone else to make the first move, and I see nobody else is gonna step up, so I have arranged a date for us next Wednesday.
We’ll be going out on the river in my two person kayak and then we’ll walk in the butterfly garden, and we’ll talk and laugh and forget we’re on a date, because who needs that pressure, right? And then I’ll look into your eyes and I’ll read your eyes and face and body language, and then if I see that you are receptive, I’ll do something that you’ll really enjoy - but it won’t be what you think, and I won’t say what it is here cause I’m not gonna give these wankers my secrets.
lol And then I’ll smile at you, and we’ll move on, and you’ll give me that body language that says you want more, and I’ll … well, I guess I have to wait and show you. Too many wankers reading this post. lmao
But by evening time, we’ll part ways and you’ll be happy even if nothing happens, because guess what? I couldn’t care less if we kiss or hold hands or whatnot. Screw a “date”, let’s just have fun together. The rest will happen on it’s own, if we are mutually receptive. And don’t worry… I’ll lead.
Meet me at the White City Park at 10 am, and we’ll launch the kayak and go find the wild orchids I want to show you.
EDIT: Non-wankers should take no offense. lmao
Lol, that actually kinda sounds like a date that he would plan. He’s into being active and having a good time. And I can see him being okay with just a good time. But then he tells me he hasn’t seen me in a while (I guess it has been 2 weeks) and that he hasn’t heard my voice in a while (that was a day or 2 ). He’s not desperate. He has the charm and looks to get a girl…I guess he just doesn’t have the self esteem.
EDIT: Interesting date plan catlord17 lol
And she answers her own question. lol
I’m not a bit surprised that my idea sounds like “something he would plan”. (Really, it sounds like something I would plan, and he’s just copying. lol) I was a “nice guy” too. Now, I know how to make known what I want without simply trying to take it. You gals are a lot more fun when a guy can “speak female-ese”.
But enough about me, Kitsune… let’s talk about you. lol
So I guess now you know you need someone with a healthy sense of self esteem. That seems to be the way of the world. Women want self esteem and confidence.
Yep. I just found out today my ex-TG opted for going out on a date with someone other than me. Someone who, as he put it, “is less threatening”. 
Seriously, I know what he means by that, but…
Guys are so weird.