So many tests So little time - My journal

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Mark

I can’t read 35 pages of all this, so I’m going to ask you flat out. After all this time, are you solidly convinced it’s the pheros doing their job? As opposed to say, romanticizing the normal? From what I did read on your journal, I see a lot of “I could’ve if I wanted to”, which detracts credibility and doesn’t show the end justifies the mean. Therefore, since your journal is by far the most followed, and I’m asking you to take a good hard look and tell me how effective you feel they are.

Thanks

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Definitely, but…who I am to judge? :stuck_out_tongue:

Ooh, Looks like we’re at the frontier of pheromone technology and linguistics. :smiley:

Sounds like she’d do the same for me. :slight_smile:

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I am rather offended by your statement in bold!

The I could have’s but didn’t detract credibility, or show that I’m a little more mature and respectful of women, and not just a horny kid trying to get laid at every opportunity?

If I didn’t think the pheros were effective and worked as advertised, do you really think I’d still be around after a year and have 35 pages of entries and observations in my journal? Of course I think they are effective.

Pheros alone aren’t gonna get you the girl, the job or respect, those are things that you still need to earn on your own, but they will give you an edge.

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My honest answer to that question? (I think it was a question) If you’re reading David DeAngelo, I’d need to re-evaluate what maturity and respect mean, because your definitions are probably different than mine. :slight_smile:

Ok, fair enough, maybe I should rephrase the question. How much of an “edge” do you feel the pheros get you vs. overthinking everyday reactions from various people and acting more confident BECAUSE of the knowledge you have this magic product on which may in fact just be expensive cat piss? I saw a ton of random combos in there as well, is more always better? Just a skeptic asking the guy at the top, nothing more, no offense.

Looking forward to your reply.

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More is not always better, and oftentimes is worse than wearing nothing at all. But the mad scientist in me, as in so many others here, keep looking for and trying different combo’s trying to come up with the ultimate mix. :slight_smile:

As for how much of an edge the pheros give you, well that’s a good question and I don’t think anybody here can give you a truly accurate answer. Sure some of it may be and probably is psychological, but does that really make a difference? But, most anyone that’s been around here awhile will tell you that they have seen definite differences in how people treat them with and without pheros, as well as how the same people will act differently around them, depending on what pheros they are wearing. I’d say that’s proof positive that they are doing something.

Back to how much of an edge, well that depends on the pheros, the situation, you and how congruent you are with what you’re wearing. The wrong phero signature, meaning one that goes against your actions, can actually hurt you, I.E. imagine a girl spewing sex from every pore in her body, but when you try to talk to her she cowers away in fear. Her actions were incongruent with the vibe she was putting out and it confuses the hell out of you. Or, if you were to wear CTTM2 or Instant Openness but shy away in a corner by yourself, the phero signature or vibe that you’re putting out is incongruent with your actions and will likely be ignored.

All in all, I’d say that as long as you can remain congruent, you’ll see a real and positive change in behavior from others , and the edge well worth the cost.

I am 100% convinced that the girls sitting behind me in the club on Saturday night would not have even noticed me, much less paid any attention to me if it weren’t for the pheros. Yeah once the pheros got their attention it was all me, and there have been many similar instances, including how I met Crystal.

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Good enough for me, is that Crystal in your avatar?

Free Pheromones for 10 lucky guys!
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Nope, that’s a girl from 2 weeks ago. I do need to get a pic with her though, and was going to tonight, but I just talked to her and she’s going to stay in tonight cause she’s not feeling up to doing anything. Maybe Saturday.

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Thursday night at Red River:

Pheros:

2 drops FPPX2 oil
2 sprays FPPX2 alcohol
Cover scent: A sample from the unmentionable place

Got to the club and it was pretty slow, I guess because it FINALLY cooled down a good bit and people were afraid to come out or something. Anyway, I took up my usual spot and didn’t see anybody I knew for quite awhile.

I did have a couple of hits, but nothing spectacular:

One woman came over and stood about 5 or 6 feet away. I noticed her looking at me, but wasn’t at all interested so I didn’t pay much attention. After a few minutes this guy walked over and asked her to dance (I really don’t like the dude, because awhile back he was hitting on one of my married friends and after telling him that she was married his attitude was “so what”).

Anyway they went off to dance, then when they came back she took up a spot maybe 2 feet away from me. The guy walked off to get her a drink and she looks over and winks at me. I kind of half heartedly smiled at her then turned and said hello to one of the bouncers I knew that was walking by. She leans in and asks me who he was, and then if he was married. I kind of got a kick out of it, because the guy was off getting her a drink and she’s already looking for someone else. Anyway, he comes back with her drink and is acting like a total AFC and falling all over her.

Her actions were really just more of a minor IOI variety, but I thought it was funny as hell that the idiot is hanging all over her and the whole time she’s looking for something/someone else. He ended up leaving alone. :stuck_out_tongue:

Next hit was a girl that was pretty cute coming over and sitting next to me when the band started. I caught her looking at me a couple of times, but for some reason I got this idea in my head that she was with the bands new singer, and I didn’t make any effort to meet or talk to her. Another girl that I knew came over and gave me a hug and stood between my legs, and I noticed the other girl kind of slide away a bit. When the band finished the set both girls walked off.

A little later in the night the girl that had sat next to me earlier came back over, sat next to me again and asked where my girlfriend was. I told her that she wasn’t my girlfriend but just a friend, then asked her where her boyfriend was. She looked at me and asked why I thought she had a boyfriend, and I told her that I had not seen her at the club before and just assumed that she was with the singer. Anyway, we ended up talking for awhile and finally she said she was going home because she had to work in the morning and asked if I wanted her phone number. I punched it into my phone and hit send, telling her that now she had mine too. Then she gave me a hug and a peck on the cheek and said goodbye.

There were 2 other girls standing a few feet down from me talking to a guy that seemed to be trying to figure out which of them was going to be his easiest target. I exchanged eye contact and smiles with both of them a couple of times, then the one closest to me stepped a little closer and we started talking a bit. She had this attitude about her that I really didn’t like much and I rapidly lost interest. When the band started again, a couple more girls that I knew came over and stood by me, and that was as good an excuse as any to stop talking to the other girl.

I saw another really cute girl that I knew standing a little further down and walked over gave her a hug and told her to come back and join us. She had been dating the fiddle player and I had not seen her in a couple of weeks. I said that I thought she might have broken up with him and decided to stop coming to the club, at which point she said that the last time she saw me things were pretty rocky with him and that they did end up breaking up.

I ended up talking to and hanging out with her for most of the rest of the night. She had told me that she still wasn’t really over her ex, but that she was getting there. I told her that I understood and that it would take a bit of time, but that when she was ready to move on we should do something together. She said that sounded good to her and told me to give her my number. I asked for her cell phone and punched in the number. She took it saved the number and asked if I wanted hers too. I said “No, I want your home address” she smiled and hit send, and said let’s just start with that.

At closing time I walked her to her car and gave her a hug and a kiss on the forehead, then said goodnight.

And that was the end of the night. It was pretty slow and I don’t have anything spectacular to report, but I did end up with a couple of phone numbers.

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Saturday night dinner with Crystal, then on to Red River:

Well I’ve pretty much decided, no actually set in stone, that whatever may have happened with Crystal or where things may have gone are history, and if we even remain acquaintances that’s going to be the extent of it.

OK, now for the reason behind it. She is a really sweet girl, but that’s just it, she’s too sweet and has not only let her friends take advantage of her, but it’s turned into her letting and them thinking that they can take advantage of me too, and after ending up buying dinner for her and 2 of her friends and drinks for the 2 friends all night, cause I guess it was just expected that I would, I’m done.

We were supposed to have dinner and go to Red River tonight. Earlier today she called and said that she was helping a friend out and letting her stay with her, so the friend would be joining us, then not much before I was leaving to meet her she called again and said that another friend was going to be coming along because he was really depressed over a divorce he’s going through and wanted to go out and get drunk but didn’t want to drive, so he was going to ride with them and she would just meet me at the restaurant.

She told me that she them she was going with me, but it just wasn’t sounding much like a date to me anymore. But, that didn’t even really matter becuase I enjoyed spending time with her anyway.

The friend that she was helping out was broke, and the guy going through the divorce said he didn’t have any cash on him and had not planned on dinner, so I ended up picking up the tab. Once we got to the club the girl she was helping out was downing one beer after another, then holding up the empty bottles to suggest that I go get her another.

I didn’t even really mind that all that much, but when she started hitting on a couple of guys and still expecting me to buy her drinks, that was going just a bit far in my opinion.

Crystal didn’t ask me to buy her anything at the club and wasn’t drinking anyway, mainly because she’s going through Chemo. But, she also knew that her friend didn’t have any money, so it was clear that she expected that I would buy her friends dinner at the very least, if not her drinks all night too.

And, the same thing happened one day last week when we had dinner and the friend tagged along.

I’ve got no problem taking care of a girl I care about and am old fashioned enough to believe that guys should pay for dates anyway. But, I can’t get on board with having a date with a girl and all of her friends, and being expected to foot the bill for everyone.

Yeah, I could probably have a talk with her and tell her that if she wants to let people walk all over her that’s one thing, but if those friends try to take advantage of me, that’s another, and it’s just not going to happen, but I don’t even want to at this point.

There’s too many fish in the sea to have to try to fix one that may or may not have bit down on the lure.

Tomorrow I’ll try to post on Friday night at Cape Buffalo and another Crystal that I met and Jennifer the waitress. :slight_smile:

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Happy Birthday Mark! And I would just tell the others they are tagging along on a date - and are welcome to - but you are NOT picking up the tab for them.

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Thanks Boss! And as for all of them, I’m done.

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Ok, the new pic in my profile is probably the last you’ll see of me in a cowboy hat and read stories about Red River. After going there for 9 years, I think after Thursday night I’m pretty well done with that place too.

I have a couple of pretty good success stories from Cape Buffalo (my new hangout?) from Friday and Saturday nights, but I’m to tired tom post them now.

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Wow, what’s the change? 9 years is a long time and to suddenly stop going is dramatic. Did something happen? Or are all the guys following you around too much, hoping to swoop on your girls?

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Well, it’s not so much all the guys, just one. And it’s more of a culmination of several things: First, they’ve gone through some changes with the band and the band members. Right now the singer is at another club for several months and instead of bringing somebody new in they have the fiddle and guitar players filling in. Neither are very good and not only does the music suck now, but a lot of the regulars have stopped going. On top of that, with the changes they had been making, it was drawing a lot of trailer trash anyway.

They have 4 clubs and Dallas is the flagship and top money maker. But, they treat the club like a lost step-child. We had a kick ass band, but they traded them off with the band from another club to try to boost that clubs revenues. Then something happened with the singer at one of the clubs and they sent ours as a replacement, and left us without.

Next, last Saturday I ended up leaving the club early cause I was kind of aggravated at Crystal and her friend. Well I guess no sooner did I leave than the ex-friend that I talked about in past posts starts hitting on her and feeding her a bunch of bullshit about me, which she responds to by feeding him crap about me. The ex-friend calls me from the club (I’m sure with Crystal standing right there), threatening to kick my ass the next time he sees me. I tell him why wait, he knows where I live, and he responds by caling me a pussy and saying that I’d call the cops. Right after that I get a call from Crystal, bitching about something, but I couldn’t hear anything she was saying because the band was playing, then she sends me a text message the next morning saying: “guess who just left my house”. I respond to that by texting back: “Should that bother me? If so, I’m sorry but it just makes me not want to have anything to do with you anymore”.

And the final straw was last Thursday night. I get to the club and no sooner do I walk through the door than I see the ex-friend. I walk straight up to him and say what the F’s your problem. He says “I ought to beat your ass”, and I respond by saying well lets take it outside. He says something about there being to many cops outside and I better watch my back, then walks off.

I also see Crystal there but we just ignore each other. Shortly after that her and the ex-friend come over and stand like 5 feet away from me, like they are trying to make me jealous. I don’t play high school games and I don’t get jealous, so it’s really nothing more than an irritation.

I end up hanging around until the band comes back on and plays a few bad renditions of the same old cover songs that they’ve been playing night-after-night and over-and-over for the last 6 months, then decide that maybe it’s time to hang up my hat and find another club. I left, went home and changed clothes, then went to Cape Buffalo.

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Hmm, it seems so many things has happened to you there Mark & most of it is bad unfortunately. But i take my hat off for you there on handling all those situations that you encounter in a smooth & calm manner :slight_smile: You have a lot of patience there my friend which not a lot of people have there :slight_smile: Btw sorry to say this but your ex-friend is a asshole in my opinion.

I think on my opinion, you are right to move on a new club as you can experience a new environment & perhaps meet new friends there as anyway you also did say the music at your old hangout is bad after they changed the singer. Wish you all the best in trying out the new club & testing out your pheros too :slight_smile:

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Mark, that is some bizarre drama there! I wish you the best of luck at your new venue. “High school games” is right - unfortunately it seems like some folks have a case of arrested development… this ex-friend of yours sounds very much like a high school kid in the body of an adult. And of course you never know what awesome social situations await you at a new club.

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Oh, well, that pretty much answers all my questions. :smiley:

That really sucks, that ex-friend sounds like a coward and Crystal..well, it sounded like she was a sweet girl, but doesn’t really seem like it anymore. It sounds like she got peeved that she wasn’t getting what she wanted and decided to take it out on you, since you wouldn’t give it to her (?). Whatever, either way, both people are being very immature.

It’s always fun going to a new scene. Enjoy yourself. :slight_smile:

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Yeah Mark - sounds like its time for a change all right - you’ve got the new car, maybe a new look, certainly a new club.

As far as those two go - we both know that what comes around goes around and dem chickens always come home to roost … two immature personalities = :open_mouth:. You just hope there are not children involved when it implodes.

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Apparently it already did. The ex-friend started calling me again on Tuesday. I don’t take his calls because I have nothing to say to him. But, he left a message apologizing and saying that Crystal played both of us and was all about the attention, and that he was sorry for acting like he did. Then, called later on and left another message asking me to call him.

What’s done is done and it’s not the first time that it’s happened with him: remember Gina?

I don’t play games, do drama or screw over my friends, and know that a real friend wouldn’t screw me over. And, when somebody does, I write them out of my life for good.

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Mark - sounds like the new club and other new hang-outs are the way to go bro.