So what would be best to attract her again ?

I do have the IS too, maybe I could add this to my base mix for the dinner too ? What properties would it add to it ?

If you think its needed - you seem to be doing just fine on the pleasant conversation/emotional engagement front.

IS adds a happy/feelgood layer and as you don’t seem to need it in general conversation, maybe use it to sweeten the sexual impact of the TUTH when you add it but its maybe the least essential of all your pheros and you don’t want to be juggling too many products, so its up to you. IH/P74 is a less frenetic sort of pleasant and maybe you don’t want to upset that stability?

Yeah you are right. I am doing good so far… Actually getting ready for dinner. It will be about 10 people, so the atmosphere will be really good and friendly, and I will be the center of attention which I think will be good

so 2 drops a314, 3 sprays IH, 2 sprays p74 (7.5mcg) and couple of sprays tuth to-go (2.5mcg) later at night…

Will play it cool funny and confident. Will try and do some kino now and then and definitely some meaningful eye contact moments… Will have to see if I can make it all a bit more sexual as time goes by…

Any pointers ? :slight_smile: Wish me luck!!!

Good luck - Most certainly! - We will be waiting with baited breath. :smiley:

But more importantly, don’t regard this as a make or break. Just a chance to shake her-up a bit with the fallout mix, and then maybe the sexual.

So don’t worry if she doesn’t come through for you this time - Just so long as you make your mark and give her “a moment” that she will remember you by and hopefully miss for a while. :wink:

Then step right back from her and even if she is bombarding you online/by text/phone, keep your replies minimal till you see her again. After all, a new country/placement is going to have lots of things to keep you very busy indeed.

But if she does respond to the full and you do end-up in a fairwell fling situation, keep it as just that - fun, don’t put any pressure on her to get back together, don’t start validating her by constant contact and for heaven’s sake, do not propose undying love/marriage etc to her again! This is where she needs to step-up and push for a relationship herself.

So I am back :slight_smile:

I would say this evening was very nice indeed. It started a bit on the low side but thinks started to get better. So I was getting a lot of physical contact, smiles and deep eye contact. Touching and pushing each others feet under the table in a playful manner, also she touched my leg several times, gave me some small hugs when we were walking, etc…

When we were waiting for some friends she asked me out of the blue “so how are you” to which i responded that I was fine and asked her too. She gave a half hearted expression and said fine… And that things were pretty quiet… She also said she was glad we are speaking again. There were a lot of feelings in there, I could sense it. Also later, she was making sort of suggestions of things we could do when she comes back to where I’ll be moving. No couple stuff, just stuff like going to a bar or doing sports.

Got her back to her building and said our goodbyes, hugged each other for a long time without talking. She didn’t let me kiss her… I think I screwed up there, but did not push it and left after another hug…

The important thing here is that I was happy and had a great time. The kiss was maybe a bad move, makes me kind of thing if this is a friend zone thing… Or maybe still we need more trust yet…

So now I have to wait a month until I see her again…

Don’t worry about the kiss. everything else is highly positive. Yes, I agree the trust needs to build.

Now cut all contact to the absolute bare minimum to let her miss you and to grow all these feelings/send them in different directions in your absence.

Did you work-in the TUTH at any point?

yes i did. and after this there was visibly more tension

so i shouldn’t apologize or anything for trying to kiss her right ? Just let it go as that ?

Good! - Then friendzone won’t be an issue. You are not just going to be her “teddy bear” and she’s going to be thinking about that sexual kick a lot soon. :wink:

No - Do not apologise and don’t make any kind of issue of it at all.

Nope, I’d say leave it. Use this month to keep contact minimal, or none-existent. You have left a good leaving memory, that may be brought to her mind during this month. Wait for her to initiate contact, and when she does - play it cool; don’t rush to text/call back, but at the same time, don’t be overly abrupt. She’s ‘just another girl’, so let her see that. When you respond so thoroughly, or quickly, people tend to kill the conversation. So, like a book, missing details can make her think more. The more she thinks, the more she can become illusioned with the idea that ‘I miss him, I haven’t spoke to him for a while - but why?’ - Once that idea is put into her mind, she is playing mind games with herself. And then, when you’re playing it cool through contact, it can only make her want to know more.

Anyway, you have a month away from her. Completely forget about her. Don’t ‘forget’ with the mindset that doing so will play to your advantage. Just genuinely get on with your life.

Thank you so much guys. You are the most supportive community by far!

Mobo I have one last thing in mind, but it’s very specific so I will pm you about it…

So in case we have no contact this month I will be away, will it be possible to continue with the fall-out once we are again in the same place ?

She is a really stubborn woman, but when we are close to each other sparks fly … So even if this month goes away in silence I could try once we are together again right ?

So an update for anyone who is interested. After 4 days she sent me a message asking me if I went away and how the new place is.

I will delay my answer until later tonight or maybe even tomorrow. Some will say to not answer at all but I think answering without initiating any conversation first will work in my favour…

Remember, ‘she’s just another girl’. Respond how you would anyone else, not being blunt, just civil. Also remember, if you respond with all the details, she has nothing for her imagination. If you say, for example, ‘..the new place is great, I’ve met a lot of new people too..’, she could possibly begin to ponder on whether these new people are simply friends, or possible future hook-up/relationship material. But on the other hand, if you were to elaborate on exactly who you’ve met, what you’ve been doing etc., she has no lack of details to make her wonder..

Its not four days though - its less than 24hrs since you included her in that group email.

So you could easily wait another couple of days before sending her a brief message along the lines of DBs suggestion.

So i replied after a day or so, just sending a picture of the new place.

Next day she replied, and also texted me to ask a common friend’s phone number. She also wanted another picture and even send some smilies… To all of that I was just casual and friendly. Exactly as I would do with “just another girl”…

Will not initiate contact unless she does… Or do you guys think I could initiate some sort of semi-professional/casual contact with a message in a week or so if I don’t hear from her ?

Mobo in your opinion, is this limited contact she is trying to make some indication of fallout working ? Or could it be just a friend-zone thing ? Although our last meeting was much more flirty-many-things-are-left-unsaid kind of situation…

It could be either still but yes, wanting to be in touch with you a lot when she’s not in your presence is a trait with fallout.

Its seldom just one thing that tells you fallout has set-in, very occasionally maybe but more usually, its when a lot of little things that don’t particularly imply fallout by themselves start adding-up to a more meaningful whole.

If you have to initiate practical/professional contact, then do so - but keep it brief and absolutely to the point when you do - However if you are thinking on doing so just so you can continue to be in touch with her please think again because it won’t help you any. You need to be working on your own need/validation issues as well, You will be all the stronger and more attractive for it when you see her again.

But at this stage, it is still best to keep a very strict limit on any form of contact - She has to miss you. Fallout and the range of feelings associated with it takes time to develop to its fullest extent and you don’t want to blow-it/stifle at this early stage. It is also better that some things are left unsaid - again they create an empty emotional space that allows feelings to thrive. This near-obsession that many men have for saying it all out almost always works right against them as it removes all challenge/mystery/emotional dissonance for a woman and every bit of attraction with it.

OK! So fallout could be developing after the 5 or so exposures she had on my sig ? Or for fallout to continue developing there need to be constant exposure/withdrawal periods ? Next time I see her it will be in about 3,5 weeks

Actually, once fallout starts developing its better to be a bit unpredictable (same with other forms of contact) - Sometimes short breaks, leading to reinforcing exposures, then longer breaks are good, then sometimes a very long break will see things really step-up. :slight_smile: