So what would be best to attract her again ?

Good, so I’m having my long break right now… Let’s see how this one works for us…

It’s really hard to not have any communication as I keep thinking that she will respond favorably to it, but missing me is even better in the long run. As long as missing me is not the same as forgetting about me… I think that on some level she knows she over-reacted, and playing it cool during our last meetings may have reinforced her self-doubts. Let’s see if a new place equals a new start…

Three and a half weeks isn’t long - I’m thinking-on anything from six to eighteen months!

That is of course after a much longer development period!

OK I don’t want to wait that long anyway… We will be in the new place for 6 months. And we will be in a lot of contact. If nothing happens during this time, I think all hope is lost :slight_smile:

The point of treating he like the aforementioned ‘other girl’ is to not over-think your interactions. Don’t plan on when you’re next going to contact her, how you’re going to do it, and what you’re going to say. Just relax, get on with things, and speak to her as and when it comes about. You wouldn’t plan on how to contact your male friend, it would just happen - try and do the same with her. I know it sounds pretty contradictory, but you essentially need to plan to not plan your interactions with her.. If that makes sense :stuck_out_tongue:

It makes much sense actually. First for myself. Since when you are expecting and planning and things don’t follow through you are left a mess. The last messages I got from her I was not expecting or looking for at all and it was awesome when I got them…

Also it’s important that I can be relaxed and not planning anything, especially when I see her. Genuinely be myself is the best bet. This is what she was attracted to at first anyway, so being happy and projecting this is the ultimate attractive trait in my opinion :slight_smile:

But also… Saying it like this leaves a windows of opportunity to actually have contact with her. So like a male buddy, if I feel like it I could just send a message and ask what she is doing… But this would be wrong… Or not ?

I would say after a period of no contact, then that should be okay. Just be weary that that initial contact could make your mind become disillusioned; where you’re thinking you are speaking as if she were a mate, but what you’re actually saying is slightly out of character. I’ve fallen into the same boat recently, where I stopped contact with a girl, but once she initiated somewhat eagerly, I jumped onboard too quickly and went back to my usual acting out of character, which almost put me back in the same situation. In all honesty, I was blind-sighted, and after 3 weeks of no contact, I’m 100% over her. I’ve actually come to realise a lot of flaws and negatives in her, which in the long run I feel was the best thing that could of happened.

As long as you’re not incessantly asking what she’s up to, and you judge her response properly (I,e. If she’s blunt, know to perhaps not ask again), then you’re all good. But then again, that’s planning your interactions, sort of! :stuck_out_tongue:

Yeah I think this was a major problem with our break-up. So when I broke up with my ex and told the new girl, I was very eager to restart the relationship from where it was left. Which was a deadly mistake apparently as she herself told me that I moved too fast…

Come to think of it, you are saying that over a prolonged phero exposure, coupled with some fun (not necessarily sexual) times, a period of months could work in my favor ?

Very much so! - And as far as fun goes, choose stuff that shows all your best traits to best advantage, or lets you take the lead/set the pace.

Make your mark, then let her miss you, never be boring or just hanging-out but shake her-up emotionally in some way (again not always sexual) every time. :slight_smile:

Yes I get what you mean, short fun interactions will be much more meaningful in the attraction scheme of things. As long as she doesn’t get a new boyfriend :stuck_out_tongue: Although I still think I should not care about this, only care about my impact on her every single time…

But where would you draw the line of getting in the friend-zone ? I mean as long as there is some tension between us you think it’s still good right ? So some flirting and some touching that leads to awkward-tense moments is a good indicator that things might still go in a romantic-sexual way right ?

Although I don’t really believe in the friend-zone with someone you had sex with (especially passionate and with first-time things for the other party :wink: )

So is there any other products that could help me once I see her again ? I’ve read about some dis-inhibitors… Do these work ? Or anything less that I could make use of ?

You always have to run the risk of that, yes but IME, where women get out of a relationship suddenly, they usually have either got someone else in their sights, or are not planning on anything serious for a while - I think she was overwhelmed too quickly, so the latter is more applicable.

Simple - You don’t let her stick you in the friend zone at all - and you need to be prepared to walk right out of her life to stop that happening but so-far, all the interactions you describe seem to doing fine at conveying attractive traits/keeping tession going and she shows few signs of being that uncomfortable with them. You just need to get yourself out of the “human doormat” situation with her by not smothering her with attention or being at her complete back and call - and with the help of your new phero sig, she will likely be influenced to want to see much more of you again - but you need to ration your attention/presence quite strictly until you see some signs of her investing in you again.

I know what you mean about previous partners/friendzone - In some ways you are quite right but it is quite common for women to try and establish exes as friends, esp when they broke it-off - In some ways it makes them seem/feel less heartless, in other ways it validates their decision by ensuring continued attention without any comittment or emotional investment on their part and it may add to their “value” around potential new partners or provide a less comitted pool of men to entertain her if she’s not in a place for an LTR emotionally.

And its your job not to let her away with this at all. Taking your place as an ex-“friend” when you still have any degree of attraction/feelings for her is about the most pathetically unattractive trait imaginable.

They can be useful - Regard them as secondary/steering products on top of your base mix though, not as an essential part of it - P83 (when its back in stock!), P96, possibly p93, are all in the frame when she starts wanting more social interaction but they are not really that well served in your current level of interaction or at work/college etc.

I’d actively avoid P75 or P79 for different reasons.

I got p135 as a freebie. What would this help me with?

I think that’s one of the newest putatives and I’ve no idea because I’ve never tried/read anything on it.

The best thing you could do is try the P135 for yourself around different people and report back - that way you help all of us learn. :slight_smile:

And that’s something else with the Ps and MX’s - these are all experimental products and for some, the pool of testing reports is very limited. So you are often in the dark with them and some may actively work against what you want.

Everything I’ve suggested so far is from the range of well-tested/better understood products that a lot of us here have had experience with in a range of environments but even then, you would be well advised to read-up on them and test for yourself before taking them out in anger.

Awesome, I will test the P135 and let you guys know what happens. I am pretty sure I should just test it on its own, right ?

Another thing I was concerned with, is maybe her attempts to try and contact me was a way of her to open the communications channels again, so she might be expecting/wanting me to make contact again so she know that I am still interested in her. Would this be impossible ? I mean is there any chance that she genuinely is looking for me to contact her so that she can in a way convince herself that I am trustworthy and she can open up to me again ?

I know that investing much more than her would be an attraction killer in the long run, but given that she is not just a girl I met and we have all this short/passionate history (that she wanted to take much further into a LTR), could it be that I am sabotaging myself with doing absolutely nothing to show her I still care ?

Yup - start with it standalone but once you get an idea of what it does, its not at all wrong to combine it to see how it influences/steers other products. Just not in a mission-critical mix/situation till you are certain it will help not hinder. :slight_smile:

Absolutely! - but it is very important you handle this stage carefully! Your mix has only just started to have its effects on her and will be a good bit yet before it develops to its fullest extent - and it is very likely to hit her much harder when she sees you again after this longer break.

So in the meantime, you need to be challenging her in every way you can and until you see her again in person, only returning a fraction of the interest she shows in you is the way to go - Keep just enough contact to keep her interested/coming back to you and no more! More importantly, minimising contact will also help her (in a good nonverbal way) get through the feelings of being overwhelmed that almost certainly caused her to draw back - every other sign of attraction and comfort between you is still good, as is her continued desire to contact you.

Her missing you also tends to help drive passion/attraction back-up, sometimes dramatically so ideally she should be clamouring for your attention before you return it. This encourages her to invest herself further in you and subtly (and again nonverbally) communicates that you will not be anything like as stifling/overwhelming in a relationship as she may have originally feared.

The flipside of course is that if you open channels too easily/too much/too soon, she will soon be reminded of how she felt when she ended it all over again - not good!

So I guess I should not yet initiate any contact. Maybe wait a week or so and if she doesn’t I could contact her out of the blue. I guess this kind of surprise could shake her up a bit in a good way. But still keep it casual and matter-of-fact friendly/genuinely curious to see how she is doing.

So when I see her again, I should also just play it cool/aloof/casual, with some subtle insinuations when I get the chance maybe. But how long should I keep this up ? I mean at some point she has to make a move or something similar right ? Or I should be the one trying to get more physical/sexual ? I think though this would be wrong. And probably my best bet would be to play it stupid and unaware of any tension between us ? This is how I was at first with her (because I was trying not to cheat on my ex) and it made her really make all the first moves. You think this situation should/could be repeated or maybe this time I would have to take the leading role at some point ?

Yes - that’s a reasonable way of doing it. Unless she really steps-up the attempts to contact you in the meantime but when you reply, keep it short and sweet.

Yes, you were doing just fine before but maybe don’t be in quite so much of a hurry - you need to look busy/have other interests that keep you away from her but do just what you were doing before. Keep to the base mix at work and your interaction was pretty-much perfect but sex it up a bit/steer it differently away from work or in more social times and ensure you get some tesnion/determined sexuality in there, then leave her wanting more/thinking-on you and leave a bit of space before getting back in touch. Repeat as often as needed!

It is difficult to say how long a woman will take to respond. My older Polish fallout was developed for well over a year and frankly I’d given up on her. Then she went on a five month posting (contacted her no-more than three times) and on her return it picked-up rapidly. It was only a couple of weeks before we almost knocked a lab sink off the wall! :o (So much for her being a good Catholic girl) Other times I’ve had women dogging my heels, saying they love me or sending me pics after only a couple of weeks.

If she’s not more responsive after a month or two of exposure cycles then yes you may need to consider moving to another style of mix but so-far, all the indicators are positive.

And if you do get a setback, make no issue of it and don’t let her see you bothered by it - you see how your going for the kiss doesn’t seem to have changed anything! :slight_smile: