What to talk about on the first few dates: sharing lines and questions

Here’s my contribution…

Question #1
A first date question learned from Ross Jeffries:

“Besides your beauty , what two qualities are you proud of the most?”

You are indirectly complimenting her so it bypasses her bitch shield, and secondly you are making her qualify herself to you so your status is raised and thirdly it shows you appreciate her for more than her looks.

Great with this a woman will flirt with you more after you say it. It’ll get things in the right direction.:smiley: All from ONE SENTENCE not paragraphs of blab.

Who wants to add question or statement # 2?:roll_eyes:
Hint: Ross Jeffries states getting women to talk about their experiences is vital and then using their keywords to link these experiences to your own while escalating with touch.

Anyone care to discuss different type of experiences that can be talked about on a date? And in what order?

I got game before realised how good pheros are, and completed SNLs etc without pheros

Now using pheros I realise just how damn good they are

Now onto your topic, unfortunately I havent yet found a mix of pheromones that when I put on, women run up to me, jump on me start making out with me all over rubbing their breasts in my face while they rip my clothes off then straddle me and put it in them as they ride for glory

lol

I still have to alot of stuff myself… like knowing what to say :smiley:

I would suggest that you would want to bring up some Good experiences

e.g. peak life experiences

the excitement you and her felt when you both went bungee jumping together

Mystery has his own version of that RJ qualification line
I must admit I hadnt heard that RJ line before. RJs line seems almost easier to say, and more natural to do. I must say, I’m liking RJs line better

Great thread Dsouza! Will contribute when I get back in from work.

How about being more specific? Seeing we’re talking about the first 1-3 dates here before sex usually happens what specific things can you talk about..

Let’s start with the first date… you have had no experiences together so far… So the only thing is a woman’s past experiences.. Care to bring up any questions you may ask or any statements you may make…

I want to point out that other things like lots of eye contact, kino when linking to positive states , and mirroring are all important.

Do you have any advice for me.. Getting back into the dating game.

Well it depends on the kind of girl.
First of all, your line in Post#1 is not so bad if said the right way, but I wouldn’t use it to open. A simple compliment, then don’t expect her to respond with more than “thanks”, and just make cold assumptions about her.

On dates I ask what interests me personally. I want to know if she likes nature and animals and if she has ever had any as pets, her origin and places she travelled to already, also sometimes stuff about her family. The rest of what I ask comes improvised - no use in planning what to ask. That’s ridiculous, it’s a date, not a big deal :slight_smile:

Other than that, I cannot agree with the headline at all.

Thats some good advice, but how many dates can you possibly talk about only those subjects? I can cover all that in 2 hrs..

Do you usually not go on talking dates after a while? Which begs the question is dinner a good first date?

Oh RJ. You almost had qualification figured out. Then Mystery stole your line and turned it into his SINGLE qualification line.

If you want a lot of qualification stuff, look up Jonathan Sinn. He re-tooled the M3 qualification game and also created his own system based on only qualification.

To your point. I feel I should add this to my ‘Get the Girl’ thread, oh well.

The RJ question is used as a conversational bridge to get her to increase her input in the conversational ratio in addition to:

  1. It is attractive as you have standards.
  2. She is forced to invest in the interaction.
  3. She is forced to qualify herself to you.
  4. It screens for where she is at.

I would like to build on point four as it is a very wide statement. Depending on her answer you learn a plethora of things. If she likes you. If she is available. If she is looking for sex. If her mind is on the dirty.

Your qualification line is great, but in the grand scheme of things, the time span with qualification, opening and attraction is less than an hour. If you keep screening her with such questions she will keep investing in you but she also will lose interest due to the static phase you are in. Attraction decrease, compliance increase. This pattern helps guys with a LOT of money or status laid, it is bad for attraction and an emotional connection.

I want you to accept a statement as fact:

WHAT YOU SAY DOES NOT MATTER.

Stick with me, this is deep in the PUA rabbit hole. I am going to give away how and why words do not matter and most PUA tricks work. What you say and how you act comes from the perception on reality. Your ‘Frame’ of the world. A Frame is a term from NLP which boils down to how you digest the world around you. This perception of reality allows the human being to use reference experiences and their belief system to shape what reality to them is. The definition of existence is subject to state or fame of mind.

NLP is a hazy subject. Frames go into a larger subject of: The map is not the territory. The frame you project is either accepted or questioned by the outside world. The person with the strongest frame wins out.

Common frames include:

  • We are not having sex.
  • Women who have lots of sex is a slut.
  • The President is not a US citizen.

These frames can ALL be true if accepted. The person who accepts the reality can make all of these true. Not factually, but emotionally.

This is relative to pick up how?

I know and created a load of cool frame tricks. PUA generally is about keeping your frame strong, imposing your frame, controlling the interactions frame. I use some dirty tricks by imposing super rigid frames she cannot accept in order to cause tension which I turn into attraction. But, this matters not for your question. What matters is where the words in a conversation comes from.

When you interact with a person your frames of reality meet. In PUA, you ‘Vibe’ or enter ‘Comfort’ when your frames become one. As long as you do not disrupt the shared frame you two connect. Attraction is the intentional confrontation of micro frames to cause tension which is attractive due to the man’s frame. Hence Alpha men are attractive due to his strong frame of mind.

In conversation some frames allow you to chat more, and then getting to that frame or perception of reality. Frames such as a Curiosity Frame, which is you taking an emotional interest in her. This is a great qualification frame.

For attraction, frames of fun or being outgoing are great. Most frames come down to root emotional outlooks of Positivity or Negativity. This is the strongest frame a person can have. Optimistic or Pessimistic. If you have a frame that everything is good, you are great, nothing in life can be bad, it attracts other people.

This frame of positivity shows all the good things about you. The Meta Frame of being Optimistic is how I get ALL of my success. Even when I have personal crisis (Death, Illness, etc) I see the upside. Women see this is crack. I must be someone special because this problem appears petty to me.

A positive person has only good things happen to them and supplies good emotion. To micro-scale the Positive Frame would be frames of: Fun, Adventure, Masculine, Leading. The lack of fear and knowledge good things will occur is leading and a byproduct of being positive. Also doing what you want comes from a place of being positive.

I have strayed way off to explain the concept of frames and good ones. Your outlook on life essentially is where your words come from.

A person who is well to do, positive and out going have a very different speaking pattern than a person from poverty and is always fearful of negative things.

This is how you connect and speak to people. What you say does not matter as long as it comes from your frame. A frame of positivity which is strong and who you truly are is how you attract people.

Every pick-up line comes from a frame of mind. Would a shrewd person deliver this line properly:

“Why do women always look at me like a sausage with feet?”

The answer, no. The words come from some place. If you accept the words as factual and true then you have such a frame.

I express my frame with women, this is where I get my routines. What do I enjoy/find congruent with my frame:

  • Teach others.
  • Self Amusement.
  • Positive Emotions.

I am an optimist. The only things my frame accepts as reality and therefore something to chat about needs to be something fun to me or an emotionally positive response.

The only words I accept becomes those about positive experiences, good emotions, dreams, aspirations, Etc.

Further into an interaction once we connect we chat about positive things we can or should do.

Some conversational threads are good despite your frame. These include:

  • Passions
  • Dreams
  • Goals
  • Fantasies
  • Hobbies

These are good because they come from your frame, and reflect who you are and what your frame is. The more enthusiasm you have the stronger your frame is and the more captivating you become.

I hope I helped, and did not confuse the mess out of you.

It looks like your questions revolve around compatibility and not arousal. Don’t you find its too easy to be screened out by a woman if she finds you incompatible? I mean are you looking for a life long partner here that those questions are important? Or do you want to score early and concern yourself with a lifelong partner later if things got serious?

It is a good idea to ask about things you know about so if she bites onto the subject you can keep a conversation going.

I like boxing. I ask if she likes boxing. She does, what a coincidence, I can chat for hours about boxing.

Many PUA’s teach you to have core topics for discussion. How you introduce them is up to you. You can take a conversation where desired despite the subject.

I hate to bud into the PUA threads but I am a women and just want to add a little perspective to think about.

Oh god… please… please dont say that to them worded like that especially if they are good looking. It sounds like your interviewing them for a contest. I dont want to toot my horn but I get hit on a lot and if someone asked me that question in that way I would be polite and answer but be thinking of ways to get the hell away from them.

The above statement is not a bad one really its just how your saying it that puts a person off.

I was recently working on a CFC project with a guy from another office and he said something similar ( you must read all the same PUA stuff LOL) but I found it amusing and sweet. We were looking over the figures and I pointed out something we got wrong and he said " Ahha, so your not just a pretty face, what other virtues are you hiding in there ?" at the same time he pushed a piece of hair that was out of place behind my ear and winked at me.

The man flirted we me, negged me, complimented me, showed interest and used kino all in one shot. Of course he didnt know who I am so he didnt know I knew his game but I must say I was quite impressed LOL.

As Kimba pointed out what you say is far less important then how you say it. I know Kimbas post can be a little overwhelming at first read (no offence its great) but go over it a few times. Its valuable.

This statement >>> “Besides your beauty , what two qualities are you proud of the most?” said this way is coming from a place of insecurity and discomfort and would make me uncomfortable as well.

This statement which is saying the exact same thing >>> “Ahha, so your not just a pretty face, what other virtues are you hiding in there ?” speaks about the man saying it, it comes from comfort and confidence. It made me smile and frankly even though I am married and wouldn’t think of cheating I did find myself flirting with him.

Instead of working on what to say with a list of questions what you need to learn is how to say. Its ok to have a few subjects outlined for a date that you plan to bring up but in real conversation no one knows what they are going to talk about beforehand. It just flows and learning how to say things will insure that the flow is productive.

Tisha

Some punk hit on my girl? All is fair in love and war. Time to get medieval. Not the jealous type or anything. :smiley: There is only one Tisha and I’m not willing to share.

The amazing Tisha covered the answer within her post :slight_smile:

edit: just a quick add, I dont like to go for dinner on my first date, I mean it’s OK to quickly grab something to eat and eat it together for half an hour. But majority of the time I do other things with my dates. Usually I just enjoy some nature with them or we do some sports (running) if she’s into it. I’m not saying dinner is wrong 100%, maybe it’s cool for you and your dates, but it’s not my thing. All this “restaurant date” kind of thing is way too mainstream anyway :smiley:

I don’t quite get what you’re saying. It’s just curiousity, unless they kill animals for fun and are racist there’s no compatibility issue.
The basic compatibility (= if she does A or B or C, I eject) is covered usually within 10 minutes. If she starts smoking, I eject, if she’s bitchy I eject, if she drinks I eject etc.
But you never know who the person in front of you might be or how she might change your life. So for comfort from both mine and her side, I dig a bit deeper and ask some questions that interest me personally - those I stated in my previous post.
If she loves animals as I do and cares for them and if animals got the immediate “like” instinctive behavior when seeing her for the first time, if she’s into this and that and doesn’t smoke and is cute etc you get my drift - then hell yes I would go for a relationship.
But you never know before you ask. If I find someone sexy, I always assume it might be the girl I wanna spend my life with and try to get her to prove me right. If I didn’t ask those questions, I’d never find out.

Hey now I said I wouldnt think of cheating :wink: