finally after 3 weeks ... my report of NOTHING

Field Reports & Anecdotal Experience Men's Pheromone Advice & Field Reports
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Hello to all you phero-experts!

I’m rather late in posting my first impressions of using these products – since I received them 3 weeks ago and just received my second order last week! The reason I took so long – because I haven’t been getting very many results worth posting about. Not sure if I am doing something wrong or just not being congruent (quite likely) or just not super observant about body language (very likely).

A little bit about me: Female, late 20s, Asian, lean more towards being gay although I’ve been known to go the heterosexual route sometimes. I’m sort of andro, definitely not feminine. I’m pretty reserved in general, even with friends – I think a good way to describe me would be being the complete antithesis of Instant Shine! I’m fairly serious, very intellectual, and it takes a lot to get me to let my hair down and play. But I can and do, under the right conditions.

For anyone who wants the back story, here it is:

As a result of this complicated situation I had some trouble deciding where to post this thread. I put it in the men’s section since I have more men’s stuff, but feel free to move it around … As of now, I have:

WAGG
NPA for women
Liquid Trust
A314 (akuto and I hate the way it smells)
Turn Up the Heat (regular size/strength)
Instant Shine (regular size/2X)
Instant Female Magic for Women (regular size/strength)
Instant Honesty (Togo/2X)
Instant Female Magic for Men (Togo/Regular)
MX135

Since I got my stuff, I made the newbie mistake of just randomly spraying on loads of different combos and then not really noticing any effects. Having read LOADS of posts on this forum, I think I’m going to go the “try one product for a week route” now and just be careful about noticing any results. In the meantime, here are some effects (if they are effects and not just in the mind) that I’ve noticed so far.

WAGG: tried two drops, one to the back of each hand. Not much to report there except both TG and I were friendly, warm and chatty. Sniffing WAGG off me also makes me feel kinda secure and comforted, if that can be attributed to it …

Kitchen Sink Combo: I don’t remember anymore but it was Shine, Honesty, TUTH, A314, Female Magic. Haha. At the end of the night I shared a cab home with one of my best (female) friends. We usually have plenty to talk about (she’s chatty and warm) but this time … nada. Silence in the cab all the way home and she seemed uncomfortable!

Instant Female Magic for Men: 3 sprays from Togo to neck and arms prior to meeting TG. Covered with some TUTH (a couple sprays). Nothing to report during dinner, then I refreshed it prior to our movie – she sat on my left so I sprayed one spray to my left inner elbow. When we go to a movie she usually ends up leaning on my shoulder quite a bit, but this time it was a bit weird she just kept rubbing up against my left shoulder and arm for a while!

Instant Female Magic for Women (last night): 3 sprays to neck and both arms. No cover. Nothing out of the ordinary except she talked to me about this guy friend she had recently slept with after our breakup. This is strange because this guy is obviously a sore point for me and she knows it, hence has made it a point not to talk to me about him even though I know they have been interacting. Last night was the first time she had mentioned him in MONTHS. I don’t know but perhaps the pheros made her comfortable and allowed her to say it?

Anyway this week I’m trying just the Instant Female Magic (I truly hate the herbal scent though) each time I see TG. Will see how it goes. In general since I started using the pheros … she has been a lot more touchy-feely with me. A lot of play-fighting, random touches etc. But nothing sexual.

My situation is complicated because TG and I behave very much like we’re in a relationship, emotionally anyway. Even observing us casually we look like we’re together. We just aren’t having the sex (her choice not mine) and because of that she thinks we’re officially not together. It’s insane, I know. But we really get along great otherwise … and we did for two years.

I’ve been thinking lots though and have some questions on my mind …

  1. With regards to congruency, I’m thinking it may just seem odd that I reek of male pheros when I am obviously female? Granted I project an andro, even sometimes masculine image, but perhaps that would throw people off? The reason why I have a bunch of pheros for guys was cos of my situation with TG.

  2. Socially I don’t really have a problem with TG or my friends. They’re all a fun-loving bunch and we’re quite close and comfortable with each other. As such when I use the social pheros around them, I don’t really notice any differences. I wonder if I should bother using Shine, Female Magic, WAGG etc around TG … since even without the pheros we get along like a house on fire. The issue is I know she is not always honest with me (avoiding topics like The Guy, for example) and certainly I do feel like she’s suppressing her true feelings. Perhaps after a week of Female Magic I’ll soak myself in Honesty and see what happens 

  3. I have almost absolutely no self-effects with these pheros. Kinda disappointing actually … I was kinda hoping I’d get happy off the Shine or horny sniffing the TUTH or the NPA but nada. Only WAGG.

  4. I think I’m rapidly heading towards LJBF territory with TG … and this is what really worries me. I don’t want her to just see me as this comforting, safe, ‘friend’ presence. I want her to see me as she did before, i.e. good for some sex/action! But I know it’s hard if she’s consciously suppressing such thoughts. Does anyone know what the diff is between TUTH and NPA (W) since I know they are both androstenone? Should I use TUTH or NPA to get some sort of reaction around her? So far neither seems to have worked but perhaps I need to up my dosage (she’s 36).

Well thanks for reading all the way to the end (I applaud you, I can be rather long-winded) and I’d love to hear your thoughts if any!

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I think I have a similar situation to you.

I have a male friend who is somewhat Bi and who I’d like to be closer to (in any way).
So, I bought a product designed for women, thinking that if this guy is predominantly attracted to women (he’s quite Alpha Male) it would somehow trigger something he recognized and make him more open around me. But what I didn’t consider was that it might just confuse him; his male friend (and I am pretty straight-acting) giving off a female vibe.

What I have discovered is that while he has been more sexually open, I think the product I was using is merely making him horny, and I am the only one there to bounce the discussion off of.

I will now be going for a universal product which opens up communication between us, and a product specifically designed for men to attract other men (possibly in conjunction with what I was using originally). Hopefully this will speak to his bi side more than the previous one and allow him to still see me as giving off a male vibe.

So maybe this is why you’re getting confusing results? People know you are a woman, so mixing that with a male Pheromone may just cause confusion.

I don’t know much about these products, but I think our situations are similar, so I hope I’ve raised some interesting points.

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Well now that you have gotten the Pheromone Baptism over with you can work with the products to see what works for you. Its OK we all did it at first. Spray them all on run out the door and look at everyone that passes trying to analyze if he/she just scratched there ass because we are wearing pheromones or did they have a itch LOL :stuck_out_tongue:

Think of using pheromones as a journey to discovery, You may not get there over night but you can learn alot and gain great life experiences along the way.

  1. With regards to congruency, I’m thinking it may just seem odd that I reek of male pheros when I am obviously female? Granted I project an andro, even sometimes masculine image, but perhaps that would throw people off? The reason why I have a bunch of pheros for guys was cos of my situation with TG.

Gay or not gay your going to use the same pheromones as hetros would wear for there gender. Gay women are attracted to womens pheromones spiked with just a tiny bit of male essence. Gay men are attracted to male pheromones with just a small amount of softening female pheromones. I do think part of your problem is you are using alot pheromones for the wrong gender. Its sends confusing messages. If she is gay she will be attracted to female pheromones. If she is BI she will be attracted to both. If she senses a heavy male signature coming from you perhaps she thinks you are involved with a man. Simular to the effect cops on a man has the player effect.

  1. Socially I don’t really have a problem with TG or my friends. They’re all a fun-loving bunch and we’re quite close and comfortable with each other. As such when I use the social pheros around them, I don’t really notice any differences. I wonder if I should bother using Shine, Female Magic, WAGG etc around TG … since even without the pheros we get along like a house on fire. The issue is I know she is not always honest with me (avoiding topics like The Guy, for example) and certainly I do feel like she’s suppressing her true feelings. Perhaps after a week of Female Magic I’ll soak myself in Honesty and see what happens 

If your friends are real social and a fun loving bunch it may be harder to recognize the reactions. Testing a group of people is harder as well. Break it down individually and consentrate on one person in the group at a time and there behavior changes. This may help you see reaction easier. Socials can and will still effect people who are already fun loving and upbeat. Use them one at a time at different dosages. Keep some notes in a notebook or start a journal here so you can track patterens

  1. I have almost absolutely no self-effects with these pheros. Kinda disappointing actually … I was kinda hoping I’d get happy off the Shine or horny sniffing the Turn Up The Heat or the NPA but nada. Only WAGG.

There are some people who get self effects and some who do not, you may have just overloaded to much on what you were wearing. Hold off on that thought till you begin to test thm one at a time

  1. I think I’m rapidly heading towards LJBF territory with TG … and this is what really worries me. I don’t want her to just see me as this comforting, safe, ‘friend’ presence. I want her to see me as she did before, i.e. good for some sex/action! But I know it’s hard if she’s consciously suppressing such thoughts. Does anyone know what the diff is between Turn Up The Heat and NPA (W) since I know they are both androstenone? Should I use Turn Up The Heat or NPA to get some sort of reaction around her? So far neither seems to have worked but perhaps I need to up my dosage (she’s 36).

TUTH is dosed anone. 2.5 MCG per spray NPA has 2.4 MG of anone per bottle and you cant really control the dose. Its much stronger (which is not always good most people OD) and best used mixed in another carrier.

I would suggest using female pheromones with just a tweak of male pheromones added. Isex/A which contains TAL would work better for you then the male pheromones. With female pheromones just wear a tiny amount of male pheromones

Tisha

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Tisha has some good points. Lesbians are attracted to the same pheromones that men are, for the most part. EST would be another one worth mentioning, although it isn’t available from Androtics.

Instant Female Magic is unlikely to work on a lesbian woman because in studies I’ve read, they react to the pheromone similar to most men; no reaction or aversion/dislike, and this can be observed even in brain imaging scans. You really shouldn’t wear androsterone in a “man’s” dosage, the same is true with androstenone (some women actually wear this, and I suppose this one is acceptable in small amounts, just beware that it can produce nervous/uneasy feelings in men). A woman’s biology just doesn’t allow you to produce that much testosterone under normal circumstances, regardless of your sexual orientation, and androsterone might actually be a turn off to a woman that wasn’t attracted to men, although I think it would probably produce an even more bizarre reaction than copulins, as the social proofing thing probably doesn’t work in reverse on lesbians or men (a hypothesis at least based on differential reproductive strategies between the sexes- a man’s genes, for one, wouldn’t want to be a cuckold).

Interesting reaction to WAGG as the only pheromone you found that did anything for you. I’m not sure WAGG would be appropriate for a BI/Lesbian woman because it might contain a male pheromone, although if there is one, I can’t detect it. And I’m usually very good at picking up those things. I think it’s gender-neutral, but don’t quote me on that one. You might want to try TAK, which is similar, and has no gender-specificness that I can tell. And it’s dosed much more precisely, whereas I find the stock dosage of WAGG is a bit blatant (1 drop max for me). TAK and WAGG both create easy-going feeling but not really attraction per-se, but they are good if you tend to be off-putting to people, or you have too much physical presence.

The bad news is bisexuality hasn’t gotten alot of attention from pheromone researchers, who are right now focused more on the neurophysiological and hormonal differences between gays, lesbians, and heterosexuals. It’s definitely a grey area but you would be better off trying out female pheromones.

edit: BTW, I just want to add… I hope you don’t feel unwelcome here or ackward. I notice there is no gay/lesbian section exclusively but I won’t be offended if you post your experiences on either the men’s or women’s forums, and I hope others here share the same view.

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I’d like to see a gay/lesbian/bi section where the experimentation for Pheromone use in these areas could be discussed.
It’s certainly an interesting and, as you mention, overlooked area.

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I dont know if they would let us open up a subforum for it but it is a good ideal.

I have done a mens guide and a womens guide I suppose I could write a Gay/lesbian guide and put links to important posts in it and information that has been gathered so its all in one place. That will be my next project I think. Then if the thread gets big with reports and info we can ask for a sub forum

Tisha

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Tisha’s got great advice, as always, I would also suggest less TUTH, A314, IFM, and work more with socials and experiment with TAH and TAL.

IMO, play-fighting, random touching is sexual, just not overtly sexual. Maybe just a dash of p83 with good upbeat pheromones might shift the mood?

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Wow you guys sure are fast on the replies! Thank you so much for the advice, i know this is a tough situation to crack, although now i do wish i’d done a bit more research and asked a bit more questions before splashing out on a load of stuff that now appear inappropriate for my situation!

Thanks also for the warm welcome, it’s really nice to know there’s acceptance here (I come from a really conservative society :frowning: ). Yeah it’s hard to find gay and lesbian related information here so a sub-forum or a sticky would be wonderful … i’d love to help out tisha but as you can see i am already making all sorts of mistakes here haha! But really bisexuality is such a gray and fluid area, I can see why there’s not been anything conclusive in the way of research and testing yet. Even I confuse myself sometimes!

Daedelus, the reason why i decided to try WAGG was because over at ‘the other forum’ there were several reports from a lesbian girl who had used it with good success on other girls. Yeah i do tend to be a little standoffish and aloof in general, so figured it might help. I need to try it around others and see how that works.

So you guys think she’s definitely got some gayness or bi-ness in there? I think the problem is that she keeps insisting now she’s straight, but surely after two years of sex with a girl … you can’t be that straight and there would have to be some kind of basic, primal attraction in there?

Would the Instant Female Magic I have, bearing in mind it’s the version for women, not be advisable in this situation too? I mean I was thinking since it’s labelled for women, it would be okay as a general multi-purpose sort of thing. Of course, it doesn’t do squat to me either!

I’d love to try those experimones and putatives you guys mentioned but after shelling out so much for everything else so far … i need to take a breather first! I do have a togo of MX135 (free thanks to the lovely people at androtics) so I’m gonna try that first. I wore a little bit of that yesterday when we met and when combined with some alcohol there was definitely a lot more random touching going on. Phya, agree with you on the play-fighting thing, I just need to figure out how to take it over the edge no! :smiley:

Fluffie do keep posting your results, I’d love to hear how you get on. We are in the same situation.

p/s I was looking at my original post and for some reason the link to my previous post wasnt showing up, so in case anybody wants to read it or re-read it i’m gonna try to include it here again:

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This is a tough one.

I know a woman who was married twice, has three sons, and loves men with long hair. But about nine or ten years ago she came out. Incidentally, she is my Bi friends mother. One of her other sons is also gay. This is why I think my best friend is a little more cautious about his sexuality, it does seem unlikely that a woman who discovers she is gay has a gay son and a Bisexual one. :smiley:
We can assume that it is entirely possible for a woman to follow a same-sex lifestyle for many years too, and then decide that it isn’t for her. If you follow the research of Kinsey, there is a lot to suggest that sexuality is not just extremely diverse, it’s also organic, shifting and altering throughout our lives.
I freely admit that while I don’t see it happening, I might discover a woman in ten years who completely knocks me over. I can’t see into the future, but research does suggest that it is at least possible that I might develop more heterosexual desires at some time.

Having said all of that, I personally don’t think it is likely she is suddenly straight, but who is anyone to tell her otherwise? It could have been a “phase” that many people go through, just a bit longer than usual. You just have to accept what she says.

I’d stick with it, be her friend, use the products in ways advised by more experienced people than me :slight_smile:, and see what happens. But at the same time, don’t make all of this effort just for your friend, do it for yourself to see what responses you get from various people, put yourself out there and you never know who might respond in a remarkable way.

Sorry, I know I’ve focused on a relatively off-topic section, but I thought it might help to have some feedback on this.

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thanks fluffie for the input … i do pretty much agree with all you’ve said especially with respect to the fact that i can’t tell her how she “should” be feeling. but yeah, the whole “is she bi / is she straight” issue has had me pretty confused for a while and i guess that’s why i wasn’t able to figure out what products to use. i thought since i know she’s DEFINITELY attracted to guys and MAYBE attracted to girls i’d try some guy products first. now that they dont seem to be working well i guess i’ll try the girls stuff :slight_smile:

i’m gonna do what you said and just stick it out for a bit … do hope to use the products in other situations apart from with her too so will report back on what i notice (may not be very much!).

have you bought any products from here? how have they worked for you?

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That sounds to me like an OD or her reaction to your pheromone signature changing.

I work around several women who are Gay, I thought wearing things that men wear to turn on women would help, where as these additives did the opposite of my intentions, I would like them to relax a little and be helpful, but rather than relaxing they became more hostile and grumpy when I have to work around them. This makes it tough to work on issues, tickets or problems.
Several people suggested something with Couplins in it, and I went on my quest to find some.

I would suggest keeping the A314 as it will help in situations when you want people following your lead or looking up to you. but the products you did purchase come with a money back garantee.

Keep up the good reporting!
good luck to you and your target.

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hey thanks woofie, so have you tried anything with cops in it around your coworkers? i’d be interested to find out how that went for you!

an interesting bit to report - last night i went out with TG to a movie. i knew she was in a really bad mood (she admitted it was probably PMS) so i wanted to be try to influence it a little bit and try to get her to relax some. all i had with me was my instant female magic (for women) so i put 4 sprays on my neck and chest.

oddly, while she’s usually quite snuggly and touchy feely (she’ll usually lean on me off and on through a movie, or at least lean in towards me and be shoulder to shoulder, last night was so different - she spent the entire movie with her arms crossed and leaning away from me!

i thought maybe the pheros werent diffusing enough (the last couple of times i used it, i seemed to have a good reaction with one spray to neck and one to each inner elbow) so i spent a good part of the movie exposing my neck to the air. i looked like an idiot!

anyway, i have no idea what that was. can one OD on instant female magic? and given it’s for women, i figured it would be okay and she would react favorably to it!

one other thing i thought about was - would it make a difference spraying on clean (freshly showered) vs dirty(ish) skin? i used it after a whole day of being out and about in hot sticky weather yesterday.

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I know exactly how you feel, I have the same situation with my best mate and we’ve known each other for almost eight years. It is frustrating to say the least.
I’m doing the same as you too, swapping what I thought would work (female Pheromones) for male and specifically gay male products from elsewhere.
I haven’t tried any of the products here yet, but I will be going for Instant Honesty and Turn Up The Heat in conjunction with the gay male product from another company.