I decided to experiment with the self effects of P86. In my experiments with P86 over the past few weeks I have come to some important conclusions. During that period I anguished over the ethical dilemma of releasing such powerful secrets to the public. I like the mix I have discovered better than my favorte A314 or any other pheromones. Of course, it is not a fair comparison because this is completely different. Those of you without a stong moral and ethical character, without an uncompromising sense of self-control, must promise to read no farther! Go to another thread immeiately.
Method
As stated this is an investigation into self effects. I began with P86, which definitely has a tactile, sensuous, sexually arousing aspect to it. I proceeded to add and subtract other pheoromones over several sessions until I found the amazing formula I have chosen to share with this forum.
To the P86 I added a little bit of P80 which seemed to enhance the effect. I did not get any of the effect Bella described, just a stronger response. P79 seemed to distract from the mix whereas TAF helped significantly. I think the “stop and smell the roses” effect of TAF conflicts with the “hurry up and plough the field” effect of P79, with the former contributing to sensuality. P83 actually seemed to diminish the effects of P86 slightly. From what I know of P83 I am willing to believe its disinhibiting effect makes it worth adding more P86 in order to include P83 in the mix.
Adding P91 made me restless, anxious for a short time but then mellowed into something subtle but positive, I think. I’m not exactly sure what the P91 did. P90 seemed to produce a kinky twist, which I did not expect and which I was not able to reproduce on another occasion.
I added a couple of sprays of Liquid Trust and that strengthened the formula significantly.
I didn’t notice anything from TAH and TAL (2.5mcg each) except that they probably dampened the P86 effect slightly. I don’t think residual effects of TAL or TAH should be a problem. TAA (5-10mcg) dramatically heightens the P86 effects.
P87 seemed to encourage empathy and widen the visual window. A small amount added depth to the mix. More than a very small amount required me to see others as human beings rather than as mere sex objects. Well, there’s a time and a place for everything, but that ain’t what this mix is about. Forget the eye gazing, let’s make out.
MEO-EST seemed to enhance the general tone of the mix. Visually, it definitely gave things a more shiny, moist appearance. More than 10mcg of MEO-EST seemed to move toward white-out conditions.
My testing sessions lasted one to three hours. I proceeded by spraying individual pheromones on my chest.
Results
This investigation was largely inspired by Tater’s “second base” formula (10mcg P86, 35mcg P87, 2.5 mcg P83, 50mcg MEO-EST), but I believe I have discovered something much more powerful.
Optimum effects seemed to be achieved after fifteen to twenty minutes. After another twenty minutes they began to fade.
Items are listed in order of the importance of their contribution to the mix.
Conclusions
I believe the value of P86 has so far been largely overlooked and the erotic power of P83 possibly exaggerated. P86 is very tactile and very sensuous. This is greatly enhanced by TAF which urges one to linger over sensual details. The physically centeredness of TAA really fans the flames of passion in combination with P86’s tactile sensuality. P80 adds a sense of impetus. I suspect this formula could be a great libido enhancer.
The only significant dissappointment is that it seems to wear off rather quickly. OTOH an oil based formula might turn one into a hopeless sex addict.
Tater had said several times 4:1 P86 to P83. On at least one occasion he was more general saying three to five times as much P86 as P83. I definitely would use more P86. I’d say, for me, five or six times as much. P83 is pretty powerful. Just 20mcg of the stuff has me fairly agitated. The thing about P83 is that it totally makes you wanna do it and do it NOW!! But what is it? Sometimes the more overpowering impulse is to chicken out and run away!
So I think you want to overpower P83 with other pheromones that give it direction. I don’t find anything inherently sexy about P83. I don’t doubt that when two people are attracted to one another that P83 can lead to wild sex. But if two people don’t much like each other, God help the fool who sprays P83.
I am very pleased with P86. It was out of stock for awhile. I am glad I finally got some. It is like “Instant Hornyness” in a bottle. I was also pleasantly surprised how only a few mcg TAA (as in Instant Shine) doubled the intensity of the mix. There is room to experiment with higher amounts of TAA with P86. I assumed there may be residual IS or TAA when my mix is applied and I haven’t yet experimented with what the upper limits are for TAA or what the od would be like.
I would also very much like to try P96 and P88, both of which seem to have great potential here but have been out of stock for some time.
Then I want to test my sensuality mix for its effects on others. In that milieu it will be more difficult to run a closely controlled experiment adjusting the pheromone mix at will. I do wonder if it can be tweaked to become worthy of the name Instant Sex Slave. “Oh, waitress, here’s $5. See that dancer over there with long red hair and big boobs? While I’m getting this this little spray bottle out, could you ask her to come over here please.” Remember that instant amnesia spray they had in Men in Black? What an inspiration, but who needs amnesia?
I decided to try exactly that last night. 20mcg of P83 and 100mgc of P86. I was using a new bottle which kinda sputters before you get the first full spray – so I must have gotten more than 100mcg P86. Briefly, I like my more complex mix much, much better. Even with all that good P86 it wasn’t as sensuous. I thought that much P83 might get me feeling agitated – it has in the past. I guess so much P86 really calmed it down. I didn’t get anything I could call an od from the P86, though I believe I could have gotten as good an effect with less.
Actually, I was dissappointed that I didn’t feel more than I did. I’d been out partying all afternoon. Perhaps I was just tired. As I started adding smaller amounts of the other components (TAA, TAF, P80, MEO-EST, etc) the experience started to wake up and deepen. So I’ve confirmed, again, that I do very much like the complex mix of pheromones and proportions listed above. I don’t know how much it is just a personal formula or how much it will work the same for others, but for me the additonal six components each make a worthy contribution. Again, I believe, in most cases, the proportions are very relevant. After the P86 and P83, every item you add or subtract is going to enhance or diminish the mix.
When I first saw people discussing P83 and -none I thought, “Mix a pheromone known for aggressivensss with one known for eliminating inhibitions – what are they trying to do start a riot!!” But apparently others have had good results. Unfortunately I am not a -none fan. I don’t know whether it is because, since I am an O blood type, I already produce pleny of -none or whether I just need to learn how to use it. It always seems to make me and the people around me very uncomfortable (even one spray of Ammo). Sorry I can’t be of more help. But please let us know what you learn with this mix. It sounds interesting. I am wondering if the Turn Up The Heat and the P86 will be working at cross purposes…
As far as timing, I found it takes about twenty minutes for the P86 to really kick in.
I am continuing to experiment with my P86 Sensuality Mix. I hope to take it to the field this fall.
I mixed up a batch with some concentrated pheros so that in five (regular) or six (TOGO) sprays I get the amounts of the eight pheros listed in my first post. This makes it easy to play with. I do still like it. It needs to be reapplied every twenty or thirty minutes. Next batch I’m going to try adding some dipropylene glycol to see if that’ll slow down the dispersal of the pheromones and make it last longer.
I’ve made a slight adjustment. I am adding 2.5 mcg P81 to the mix. This seems to add improved focus and desire, but more than a little bit creates a hard edge.
Are you noticing the improved focus and desire with P81 from your woman as well or just from yourself?
Does low dose P81 affect yourself and your woman differently?
I decided to start with a strip club wearing a full dose of the Sensuality mix (50mcg P86, etc…). This is the first time I have worn this out into the real world. Up until now I have been tweaking the mix based on self effects. When I arrived, I realized I had come on a good night. It seemed like all the dancers were 10s. Then I noticed that most of these 10s were girls I’d seen a couple of weeks ago when they were 5s, 6s and 7s. It appears the mix makes all potential targets look sensationally good. Then a woman I have been knowing for years comes over and sits with me and starts telling me how good it is to see me and how good I look. She says this over and over and over again like a broken record. Apparently this makes me look good to women as well?
After about an hour I added another half a dose (another 25mgc P86, etc…). Sometime later there was an incident where I was billed for a drink I didn’t order. This should have been no big deal. I have been going to this place for twenty years. They are not trying to mess with me. And they fixed it with no questions. But I still felt real bummed out over this little thing. One of the girls had mislead the waitress into believing I was buying her a drink when it should have been obvious I had no such intention. I left a little while later and felt bummed out all the way home.
I read somewhere that one of the putatives makes good things feel better, but yucky things seem yucker. Maybe it was P86 or maybe it was P88. I cannot find that post. Maybe Visionary remembers where that is. Anyway, I think that is what is happening with this mix. It increases the magnitude of one’s esthetic appreciation, but not the quality thereof. Now, I am a little more concerned aboout the possibility of an od or a bad trip. I think something needs to be added to steer this mix consistently in a positive direction. Maybe increase the TAA and add an equal amount of TAK for the in and out quality we discussed on the Molecule K thread – so one could emotionally step out of depressing situations and back into beautiful ones. Or maybe add some P100 for direct positivity. Or something else?
Second field test
After the previously ambivalent experience I am more cautious. I apply only half a dose (25mcg P86, etc…). This, by the way, is my original mix described in my first post (before adding the small amount of P81). I arrive at my friend’s place and she is beautiful. I have known her for years and she is always beautiful. But tonight she is stunning. I tell her she’s beautiful, again and again and again and again. I probably used the word “beautiful” twenty times. I know the Mystery Method would advise against this, but don’t laugh at me until you’ve tried the mix. The compulsively relentless gushing flattery didn’t seem to have any adverse effects. Maybe she needed the reassurance. She did compliment my suit and then my tie. They were worthy of compliments. And she liked my nicely trimmed pubic hair. She never mentioned that before. No, sereiously… She really never mentioned that before. Hard to believe, huh? And she kinda did this little striptease as she got undressed. She never did that before. Or maybe I just forgot. No, no, I wouldn’t have forgotten. She defintely never did that before! In retrospect, considering that we hadn’t seen each other for a while, we did seem to get to it rather quickly.
I may need to rename this my Shallow Hal formula. It seems to make all of one’s targets look sensational. So far, beyond that, however, it has been a bit of a disappointment. With P86 and P83 there are reports of 2nd base being fantastically sensuous and reports of intense orgasms. All of that was good for us, but none of it spectacular beyond expectations. I think this mix might benefit from increased P87 like Tater’s second base formula.
Later, I added P74, MX173 (A314 clone) and Instant Honesty and we went out to dinner. We stopped at five fine restaurants and looked a the menus before choosing one. The maitre d’s were amazingly helpful even to the point of suggesting other restaurants we might like. I’d never experienced anything quite like that. Part of it was the P74, but I think there was something more. We just seemed to be an extremely attractive couple that they’d like to be seen in the front of their restaurant. It was like Jack and Jaqueline Kennedy touring the restaurant district.
Instant Honesty anecdote
I wound up ordering the red snapper. When it arrived, she asked “How’s it compare to my snapper?” Immediately, she began apologizing profusly for being “crude”. I just started laughing. This girl makes a great (and successful) effort to be cultured and sophisticated. Her little outburst was hysterical. This was definitely the Instant Honesty! A classic “I don’t believe I said that” moment.
Been experimenting for a week with P86 (20-60 mcg throughout the day) and I too have noticed a ‘Shallow Hal’ effect from P86. It really made me feel a workmate of mine (ok looking but nice smile and fun personality caucasian girl in her mid 20s) was more physically attractive. We had a nice long chat and there was ‘chemistry’ felt for sure.
I got the feeling the effect worked in reverse as well - I noticed lingering looks from the mentioned workmate (similar to Instant Shine which I also feel adds to the physical attractiveness effect) as well as a few other workmates (both caucasian women in their mid 20s).
What tacitus said about this not ‘pushing or driving anything’ seems right on too - I really lik this stuff and calming too. I did notice a funky smell though so I took to covering it with some cologne and also noticed that it disrupted my concentration at times (maybe too high a dose is too calming?)…
Visionary, it is good to know that someone else notices the “Shallow Hal” effect with P86.
I believe that adding 10mcg of P87 to my 50mcg of P86 adds a bit of depth. As I discussed in my “award winning” post on P87, it seems to be quite the tenacious empathogen.
Now, I am sure that someone is going to says if 10mcg is great, just think how good 20mcg or 50mcg of P87 would be. Wrong!! You want to have have two people delighted to be talking to a quite attractive friend and empathizing with each other’s delight. With more than a little P87, the P86 effect is quickly overridden and you have two ordinary-looking people empathizing with each other’s everyday stress. Spray too much P87 and poof!! Magic gone. I find a ratio of 5:1 or 50mcg P86 and 10mcg P87 to work well for me. P87 seems much stronger than P86 and quickly overshadows it. At this ratio the empathy is just below the surface and it becomes completely natural to just walk over and put your arms around a beautiful woman.
Imagine an evening of two people standing, staring at each other, drooling and going:
“You’re so beautiful!”
“You’re so beautiful!”
“No, You’re so beautiful!”
“No, you’re really beautiful!”
And so on… If that sounds good, you’ll love P86. And there’s nothing wrong with that! But I think my Sensuality Mix, version 2.0, with 10mcg P87 added, is a definite improvement. Be forewarned, it can have quite the bonding effect!
I agree with you, Visionary, about the “calming” effect of P86. I didn’t realize it was the P86 at first. If you’re going to spend an intimate evening in the bedroom, it is just fine. You want to be calm and there are other excitements that keep you alert enough. But if you want to wear it out to a strip club or to dinner, I think you need a lot of caffeine to make P86 work – not that it isn’t worth the caffeine! This is one of the remaining flaws with my formula. I would like to find a pheromone to counter this calming/sedating effect without clashing with the sensuality theme. P74 may be a possibility. The P87 helps some… Anyone have any other suggestions for an alertness pheromone?
I mixed up a new batch of my Sensuality Mix. The main difference is the increase in the amount of P87, which I now list as the second most influential pheromone in the mix. Its effect as an empathogen and the P86/P87 balance are discussed in my previous post. The P87 also works well to give the P86 positive direction. Its anti-depressant effect has been discussed elsewhere.
I also included in this batch the P81 mentioned in post #8.
I added 10% DPG oil to slow down the diffusion of the pheormones. Last batch I was wanting to add a little bit more every twenty minutes or so. The 10% DPG seems to work well in making it longer lasting and well balanced for at least a couple of hours. I do seem to like adding more on the first application though, but that would make sense. With the first batch I would often begin with a half dose and add the second half (and eventually “third half”) a little later. Now I definitley want to start with the whole dose (mcgs listed above) and that tends to be enough.
I have been field testing it. There are no incidents worth reporting in detail other than to say that the upgrades are functioning as desired. It makes being close to a woman feel amazingly natural and good. I generally wear it with A314 and some social pheromones (IO and/or IH and sometimes some TAA oil or SOE). With a couple of drops of IH extreme version oil, this mix really seems to form a strong bond between me and a woman.
I have come to believe that IO (about four sprays) enhances the romantic feeling and adds a lot to this mix. I discussed in post #10 how P86 can go yucky and needs positive direction. Tater makes a similar observation. P87 provides this positive direction and so does the IO. I think next batch I am going to add alphanol to the mix so it will be impossible to use it without the alphanol. That should eliminate the likelyhood of a “bad trip.” Does anyone know how much alphanol is suposed to be in one spray of Instant Openness?
In this mix, there are two remaining flaws I want to work on. The first is the sometimes excessively calming/sedating properties of P86 as discussed in my previous post. The second is that I want a deeper sensuality from it. It does great in making people look good to each other, creating an empathy and promoting a comfortable romantic mood. I want it to do more to electrify the sense of touch and intensify the sex act. I don’t know if I am asking too much but that is my next target.
Preliminary tests with additional pheros
Now that I have a new batch to work with, I am beginning to do a little self testing with promising pheromones which I think might enhance the mix.
P103 - This seems to lighten the load. In another post I described it as making me feel a little drunk. In my self tests with my P86 Sensuality Mix with P103 added, I found 25mcg or more P103 helped a lot – especially when I was stressed about other things. It makes sense that one would be more sensuous if life’s other worries were lifted. That’s one of the reasons people drink. I don’t want to add too much P103 because it does seem to limit one’s intellectual capacity, and I don’t want to impress a woman with my stupidity.
EST - This is often described as the cuddly pheromone. It is an important part of Sugarspice’s *(The I Need Sex Now Mix). I get the impression that EST is pushed from being cuddly but not sexual to being sexy, even desperately horny, by the addition of MEO-EST, which is already in my mix. My self testing indicates that 450mcg EST creates optimal desire. After reading some of the other posts, I realize that that is an awful lot!! I do not yet know how I am going to experience the social response. Apparently, the common wisdom is that for a man 50mcg is plenty. Tater claims it doesn’t become a sensual booster until more than 100mcg. There are men who claim to get good reactions with 200mcg or more. Tater also claims that P86 combined with EST will make women “proactively protective” which ain’t necessarily good for one’s manlyness. I am in a real quandry about the levels with which I want to start field testing.
P102 - A couple of posts about P102 describe it as enhancing one’s sense of taste and enjoyment of music. I wondered if P102’s nonvisual sensuality might add something to my mix (or detract from the enhanced visual aestheics already there). In self testing I noticed that I was licking my lips and wanting to kiss a woman. Maybe that was my imagination more than P102, but I’m wondering if P102 is going to be the kissy-face pheromone.
With that, all I need is a sloe gin, southern comfort, vodka & orange juice pheromone. I wonder if that is going to be P88 – or possibly P96, both of which are still out of stock. Dang! I really need to test these two. [Sloe gin, southern comfort, vodka & orange juice are the ingredients for a “slow comfortable screw”.]
I also want to see what TAC will do with this mix, but I’m afraid it’ll clash with the TAA. Maybe for Version 3.0 I’ll leave the TAA out so I can add it and/or TAC separately and see what works best.*
In the previous post, I spoke of using 450mcg EST. I have come to the conclusion that the LPP sprayers are not exactly accurate. They are supposed to provide 200 sprays per 30 ml just like the A.P.R. bottles, but it seems to me the sprays are actually much smaller. I poured my EST (supposedly 150mcg per spray) into an A.P.R. cobolt blue bottle with a black spray top. It is now my belief that the 450mcg I spoke of was probably closer to 150mcg. For now I am going with 125mcg. Along with the MEO-EST already in the mix, that is enough to be compellingly passionate without being overwhelming. This may need further adjustments.
The 37.5mcg of P103 seems to be the right amount to be disinhibiting without dulling the mind.
At 25mcg P102 conjures up an interest in kissing. Somewhere between 25mcg and 50mcg the oral desires move from sensuality to a voracious desire to order a pizza.
This thread is really coming along I see, nice work! Perhaps mellow & sensual P86 needs something more attitude-y like P79 with it. P79 has been described as a ‘debate inducer’, ‘confrontational’ and leading to ‘people wanting to get their point across’. It has also been described as ‘caffeinated’ and ‘helpful for doing chores’. Not to mention the impulsive, ‘let’s just do it vibe’ it can have in certain circumstances that have lead to sexual reactions (see below). Note Scottie2Hottie who had some real success with it in that regard said he preferred just 20 mcg of the (Neroli?) scented version which may project the molecule better…
Speak, Oh Mushroom God, of P79 !
tacitus (1 May 2006):
“with P79 I feel engaged in my activities on a personal level.. it personalizes whatever you’re doing and somewhat collapses time (which IS what happens when you’re involved in an activity…)”
Jasmin (June 11, 2006):
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Jasmin, you say P79 has a sexual vibe? I am definitely ordering some of that too and add it to my “seduction mix”.
Yes, P79 . It had me a little.. “randy”. Okay, a lot randy. I almost didn’t know what to DO with myself.
I was randy at a time where it didn’t really make sense, either. I wasn’t ovulating or mensturating. And I definititely wasn’t on a Fijian beach having coconut oil spead on my back by chiseled German supermodels…
I think it would play well in a “seduction mix”, because my maaan seemed to like it, too. It’s really deep… primordial. Very sensual and detailed. Interesting paired with Beta Androstenol or TAF .
I know very soon we’re going to release a few mixes that incorporate P79 so keep your eyes peeled!!”
P79
Jasmin (2 February 2007):
"I’ve noticed that P79 is an INTENSIFIER. Therefore you kind of have to pay attention to the other components of your brew.
For instant,
P79 + Shine = Uncork the champagne!!!
P79 + sexy smidge of TAL = ROAR, MEOW!
P79 + tooo much TAL = Too catty? Borderline Bitchy? Impatient!
P79 + TINY none + ovulation = SEX ME UPPPPP. I SAID NOW.
P79 + none OD + young girl = ARRHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!
P79 + TAF = “There is invisible dirt somewhere on this perfecly clean floor and I am going to obliterate it.”
P79 + slightly drunk = bubbles!
P79 + dental hygenist = teeth so clean they hurt
Intensifier. But that’s just my working hypothesis. My idea might completely change once I get more testnig opps under my belt and I can pull back for an eagles eye view (I would say I have a sparrow’s eyes view right now..much better than an ant’s eye view!)
I’ve also noticed that I get the P79 effects going once the ambient P79 levels raise above 10 mcg, and get really kickin’ somewhere in the 25-50 range. (Of course, this always depends on the ambient mix!)
I’m not sure about tiny levels. In fact, Matt, you’re the first guy I know who has had some nifty results with small P79 doses. I see a lot of guys pick up the 2.5 mcg/spray P79 in the store because its cheap, and in the back of my head I can’t help but say, "Man…for the exact same dough you could have gotten a to go sized sprayer of P79 at 12.5 mcg and had better result…)
BUT
Your post also sparks my curiosity that, just maybe, P79 has some sexually dimorphic effects going on? ie - it works different on femmes than males?
Or maybe I should rethink the 2.5 dosage?
Ahh!! Back to square one! "
Rob (June 21, 2006):
“ok my thoughts on P79 is that it tends to add some sort of impulsive ness or more of a desire to just do things, and a bit of an attitude kinda like -none, except it doesn’t seem to give a dark vibe to it. That is what it adds and makes me feel as well as any external reactions I see from women.
Now of course I cannot tell you how they truly feel, because I’m not sitting someone down telling them I’m going to use pheremones on them.”
Rob (August 1, 2006):
“heh.. just had dental work done today on a routine cleaning. All the women there are HOT =) I used a couple drops of A314 and a few sprays P79 to sexualize and give it that “lets do it” vibe as thats what it seems to do. The hygenist was a good looking short asian woman (probably could be my mom) but she looked great nonetheless, and so I’ll be seeing her again shortly. The rest of the female dental staff that was free kept on looking for excuses to stop by and hang out around the room and later on afterwards during break (I am doing a yearly full physical health assessment). Etc. I need to take up some medical profession… there are alot of honeys”
Scottie2Hottie (August 21, 2006):
“ P is for PANTYSOAKER - P79
Hi all,
I just picked up some P79 (unscented @ 2.5 mu /spray) and wanted to share some initial impressions. Thanks for the Akuto sample, btw.
I spent Saturday w/ my Primary Partner (bisexual 28 y.o.). She’s been exposed to a variety of pheromones and mixes, so I can pretty easily gauge her reactions to certain things. I noticed what appeared to be a reaction at only 10 mu . I excused myself and added another 5 mu w/in 2 hours of my initial application. Definite reaction now. As we were sitting on the couch watching TV, she started squirming in her seat, snuggling up to me. It seemed like she was becoming distracted after a while. She steps out to smoke, so I slip away and add a final 5 mu . We start watching a movie that she’s been dieing to see. I notice that she’s starting to flush and I can tell (i.e. smell) that she’s turned on, so I ask her straight up “You’re REALLY turned on right now, aren’t you?” She looked at me in shock and said “Ohhh Myyy Gaaawwwwwwd! How could you tell? I am so fucking horny right now, my panties are soaked…I don’t know if I can take it.” Keep in mind that I haven’t even so much as kissed her up to this point. Anyway, I flash her a “knowing” smile, say “Oh, you’ll take it…and beg for more” and then go to the kitchen to get a drink. When I came back, she was sitting on the couch, shirt and bra off, skirt hiked up, thong pulled to the side and touching herself. Turned out to be a very raw, primal and intense session of animalistic sex. The only time I’ve ever seen her get like this is when I use NPA For Men or The Edge For Men.
Afterwards, she talked about how incredibly turned on she was and pinpointed the times that she’d been like that before…sure enough, it coincided w/ the times that I’ve worn LaCroy stuff around her.
The thing is that I don’t get a none feel from P79. I spent the whole day yesterday w/ it getting an idea of the self effects at various dosages and it just didn’t strike me at all as being none like…at least as far as the negatives go. It does seem to urge me into activity…sort of a no bullshit, gitter done thing…very straightforward. It seems to change at above 30-40 mu…I feel kinda edgy, but not in the none sense, more in the overly caffeinated sense…like you’re so wired you can’t get anything done…if that makes any sense…”
Scottie2Hottie (February 26, 2007):
“…Perhaps not the case. I get excellent results w/ a far lower dose than most ppl use…20 mu vs. 100 mu [of P79]. FYI, I’ve used both scented and unscented. The scented version seems to project the molecule better and I’ve received numeous comments about a vinegar/urine smell when using the unscented. A cover scent doesn’t seem to work as well as having the fragrance premixed w/ the pheromones.”
Scottie2Hottie (September 1, 2007):
“…the P79 seems to spur women into action if they feel attraction for you…”
King of the world mix
Sunny (24 January 2007):
"Recently, during a long party, I started with some residual The Edge and over a couple of hours added different pheromones to the mix, tested, went to the bathroom and added something else. All results were good and as expected, but nothing crazy happend - until I added 50 mcg of P79 to this complex mix.
While my girlfriend left for a minute to go dancing, a 20 years old girl, exceptionally good looking (I am almost twice her age) and normally out of my league, approached me for no reason. She started with “I don’t really know anybody here” and then started talking my ears off while not just invading my space but literally rubbing herself on me. This is what I would call a hit.
When my gf returned, she backed of a bit but stayed close. She tried it for about half an hour until I kissed my gf and she left, looked angry and did not say good-bye.
I had seen her at that party for hours, before she approached me. I had not flirted with her in any way. My pheromone mix was complex and not really planned, but 45 min. before I put on the P79, I had added a couple of sprays of a mix of Instant Shine, Instant Openness and Instant Honesty. However she approached me only after I added 50 mcg of P79 to this.
So I agree to Visionary’s desriptions of the “let’s do it” effect "
examine (March 26, 2007):
“ P74/p79/p90: Ultra Charm!
so i put about 1/3 of each (10mgs) into a TO GO bottle.
this is what you call ULTRA CHARM. damn.”
examine (March 26, 2007):
“sorry for the ultra summary i had someone at my house.
ok. so i went to a club friday, and created this bottle. 6 sprays to the neck right after i parked…met up with some friends. this mix is like mx105 with spaceland . hard to explain. it was subtle at first, but then it all started coming out. women were smiling like this , i danced with another girl that said i was romantic (not sure how), another one of my friends gave me a hug and gave me a kiss on the neck. every time i would dance with someone, it was like they had tabs on me…things started getting a little aggressive. one of my girl friends wanted to buy me a drink, so we left the dance floor and went to the bar, next thing i know one of the girls i danced with earlier came up, said “i was looking for you on the floor, why arent you dancing” then grabbed my hand and we were back on the floor. (my friend called the next day to vent how disrespectful she was)
another one of my friends, that i messed with a long time ago, text me some real deal xxx biz on my phone. i look up and shes at the bar looking in on the dance floor. LOL.
just too much went on, i could go on and on. but it was a successful night , the girl i met and i went on a date sunday afternoon. then this morning i got a text from another girl (which i was too drunk to remember i gave her my number or how she looked) she sent over a pic on my celly..i remember her, she was hot, but looked pretty easy, the fellas picked up on her (yea she was dressed like whoa), and she got lost in the crowd. not sure when my number was givin. i do remember her talking to a friend of mine.
like i said, the IOIs were as uplifting, bright, obvious as Spaceland , but P79 grabs that energy and turns it into sexuality.
btw the range at this club was 23-33.”
Lor (August 25, 2006):
“ experience with P79
i am confused by my own reaction to P79 . i definately feel 'none-like. it is almost Instant Sexiness -ish ( tal ?) but i keep feeling like im on 'none… sometimes sexual, sometimes confrontational- but like a lawyer… not like roadragey.
what are other’s experience with P79 ? similar? wearing it out tonight! ”
What is your favorite Putative?
Matthew1982ct (6 March 2007):
"P79 for me; as it’s the only one I have tried. It seems to lead to intense conversations in my experience. Only have the weak 2.5 mcg per spray stuff though. Would love to get some 25 mcg per spray stuff next time.
Matt"
experience with P79
Matthew1982ct (1 April 2007):
"What kind of doses are people using, in terms of mcgs? I have used been 5 mcg and 55 mcg.
The best and most pronounced effects seen in others have been in all male social occassions. And I can relate to the “people wanting to get there point across” more effects. That has certainly been the case for me.
Matt"
My experiences with the sense of smell
nbully79 (3 April 2007):
“… P79 is still acting as a debate inducer (a feeling that I must get my point across and have the last word)…”
At the risk of hijacking this thread, here is more on P79 from tacitus with similar themes as above such as a ‘doing impulse’ and helping you ‘get into it’ if there’s something worth getting into…
tacitus (April 23, 2006):
“Was there a qualitative distinction to P76
In light of my tests with P79 and P80 , they both appear to have intesnsity, and both in the Yang direction, concerned with male identity energies, P80 feels boundary firming, feet on the ground, appreciating women without hungering for them, some ego intensification minus the -none combative impulse…
P79 didn’t have the “musculature” of P80 . Possibly the sense was tribal, let go of the ego-self to a degree and carve the boats, thatch the huts, roast the pig, do a good job and get on with things…
Could any more specific character be assigned to P74 - P76 ? If you inhale them deeply for 60 seconds do you have a behavioral, emotional, or cognitive shift that pops out of the background “ordinary self” ?”
tacitus (July 5, 2006):
“Experiences with P79 and P80
These are the two that I have focused on. Both are strongly male… and higher doses can engender a potent man energy. This can be intimidating and heavy male vibe to some. P79 appears to be more of a “doing” impulse, sort of tribal male wood carving, field clearing, working through the day, cut the shit and get it done… pretty young things find it attractive and shocking. Can have a kind of authoritarian firmnessto it (that is sometimes called for) where P80 seems like it has a “being” contemplative maleness… like kicking back in the evening after work and thinking about the day while still in man mode. Together as a P79 / P80 they produce a kind of USMC officer quality in larger doses, and a dependable solid mature guy energy in lower doses… there is this interesting “I have no illusions about human nature” thinking that goes along with it… probably best in judicious 10 mu per phero squirt doses, a little goes a long way and establishes a lot of respect and some intensity, like you want to inhabit your best, most grounded self… and yeah, some beautiful young women got hot for me too… spontaneously giving me their number, all moist and … you know… ”
tacitus (May 1, 2006):
“ Yes, it deeps your focus
I’ve noticed the shrinking time [from P79 ] both with study and with sex… safe to assume it helps direct your attention away from time… it can’t turn a lousy experience into a good experience though…
It will help you “get into it” if there’s something worth getting into…
If P80 could be classified as a “being” pheromone, P79 would be a “becoming” pheromone, about engaging in a way that shifts your outcomes.”
Aside from this fusion of the ‘calming’ (P86) and the ‘doing impulse’ (P79) there is another way where the two molecules might play nicely together.
P79 does have this strong ‘opinion inducing’ side effect. Perhaps P86 's ‘bringing out nice qualities in people’ effect and general calming might tame this somewhat distracting phenomenon (well distracting to sensuality anyway)?
tacitus (April 20, 2006):
“ Speak, Oh Mushroom God, of P79 !
sorry… my morning caffeine is kicking in… with a teaser line like that P79 better be good, right ?
In truth I have no idea… I took massive shnozzles of it last night and felt shifted… not nuttin’ like the low hanging gonads on display with P80 , and none of the soft golden aura of the femmy pheromones… nor, for that matter the sensorial buzzaps of TAH or TAF ( TAF is, generaly speaking, too buzzoinky for my delicate sensibilites…) like I need more mind torque this very moment ? Nyet…
As I try and wrap my innocent neual membranes around this essence that MH squoze from pounds of male dandruff, no doubt hanging around the dumpsters behind Hair Club For Men with a portable vacuum… ahhh… the thought of it… never mind… moving right along…
P79 is more like something from the asteroid belt than one of the major planets… the initial kick that I feel from this is one of irreverance … in that it might be the not best idea to wear to a church service or a closed door meeting with authority figures… in a sense, rather like anti-matter to P80 … or like a detergent that disperses hard nodules of fixed opinion… definitely a youth thing… crusty old tyrants would not see this as a good attitude. Next time Donald Trump calls me into his Boardroom I will be soaked in it. ”
tacitus (August 31, 2006):
“ the inscrutability of p86
it does throw off an initial head buzz, lacks a pronounced follow through, a generally pleasant feeling of contentment, low key anxiolytic… a “chill pheromone” probably… not terribly emotic… drifts toward the -dienol family of integrative/calmative… could be cuddly in the right circumstances… I do notice a subtle tactile fascination with the ordinary things around me… I want to touch stuff… maybe puppies and kittens produce this so you’ll stroke them ? No passions or drives… yin energy… receptive… sort of “love vegetable” , warm blankie… probably great for long massage or spritz in the air before long soak in the tub… clubs, hot pick up scenes ? No… too meditative… too foggy… After hours, quiet table, XO grade cognac… yeah, we can do that…”
tacitus (September 3, 2007):
“I’ve put in a few things about P86 over the last year… it’s great stuff, excellent integrator… brings out nice qualities in people… you want superbly great stuff… combine P86 and P96 equally as the High Priestess, the one that combines the elements for higher expression… ask jasmin to put P96 back in production…”
