Friend zone? IJ and TUTH are your friend zone busters.

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Background info on me for those who don’t already know.
I’m a 44 year old, white, chubby male who produces little to zero none…LOL and I mean very little.

I am a very charismatic man, I can lead a group, I’ve done stand up and can have people rolling on the floors in a matter of minutes. But one issue I have had throughout my lifetime that rears its ugly head from time to time has been getting myself friend zoned.

The main reason, and if you correct this one flaw in your “game.” You will never get friend zoned again and that is I always failed to escalate sexually early enough, but of course appropriately.

I have the opinion that I am a naturally high erone producer, this has landed me some extremely attractive women. Women who opened me, or chased me. Which is good, but only if I take the initiative I need to to show these women I am much more than a daddy figure.

So how does IJ and TUTH fit into this?

Start wearing it. Quit being afraid of the beast that resides within you. That caveman that just wants to grab a woman by the hair, drag her back to the ol’ cave and do her brontosaurus style until the pterodactyls crow in the morning.

We all have that inner caveman, but societal pressure has forced us to be ashamed of it, and hide it, so when a woman wants to be cavemanned, we instead push it down deeper for fear of offending her, and allow some mamby pamby fancy / hippy boy to show up and treat her with “respect.”

simply put, to respect a woman is to know, understand and accept that she too loves down and dirty sex. Its n ot always about “making love.”

I have been adding a spritz or two of IJ or TUTH to even the most simple mixes here lately. I’ve worn these products to work, in environments that are frowned upon, but more importantly, I’ve worn them on every possible occasion I can have with the female targets I have in mind.

I have only experienced on negative reaction thus far. And it was at work. A customer complained saying she did not like the way I was looking at her, it made her feel uncomfortable.

Now I honestly don’t recall ever looking at anyone that way, and in a work environment, I’ve done some crazy ass shit, but I would ever lear at a woman, unless I knew that there was definitely something more going on than just normal chit chat.

However, around targets and potential targets I have had nothing but positive experiences.

One target has now taken to just flashing me various parts of her anatomy when in the car. This is a target I was clearly friend zoned with. When we first met each other a long time ago, she got very sexual in the beginning, and quite honestly I was intimidated so I just played back, but never acted on anything. That lack of confidence on my part got me to the point that she lost almost all attraction for me, and that was definitely confirmed by her.

Twice now, while just hanging out, she has shown me her breasts, and then on a second occasion the other night, we just were going to kick it together as friends when she pulled out her IPOD.
She keyed it up to some song by Trina… lyrics here: TRINA - LOOK BACK AT ME LYRICS Warning, highly explicit.

She then started to act out the song in the car, and before it was over she motioned for me to come closer for a look. She had on a pair of booty shorts, she rolled the front down and showed me her vagina, which I then looked at her and said…“Well there’s desert.”

Needless to say, there’s no turning back on this “relationship.” There will be no more friend zone.

IJ and TUTH gives me the ability to exude a raw sexuality that I failed to in the past. However, you still need to act on it. But even if you don’t the first or 2nd time, what I have since learned, is that if the woman has any kind of feelings for you, you will definitely find out, because every time she gets around you, she will be experiencing a sensation in her loins that she will eventually attribute to you.

Simple mixes I have added these products to:

A314 + Ammo + TUTH (highly effective)
Ammo + IS + IJ
MX297 + IJ or TUTH (TUTH is very effective and the one that got me the complaint)
P83/P74/P91 + TUTH

In the past I packed on a bunch of IS, but I don’t do that so much anymore. In fact most days I don’t include it at all. Just be careful to really monitor your sweet spot and it won’t be an issue.

TUTH and P83
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IJ + P96

I wanna know how it works with you

Try it with Country girl.

based on a spray of IJ:30mcg P96

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Thanks for the input, I have both TUTH and IJ and have been afraid to use them in the early stages of my testing mainly because I wasn’t trying to come off as too sexual and I am not sure how my target would react to such a product and am afraid of it causing a rift between us if she is uncomfortable. I am also in the friend zone but I only just got put there and only started to try to get out of it. I have been using a lot of Ammo I feel confident about this not being too sexually “over powering” so to speak. I may consider using them soon enough, especially IJ cause as my target has opened up to me she has told me she always falls for the assholes and gets hurt in the end. If I can give off as an asshole vibe, but do not hurt her in the end it might be the winning combo I need to get what I want. The problem is I am far from an asshole no matter how hard I try so I am afraid of congruency with that particular product, the same with TUTH. I am not an overly sexual person so I don’t know how people would react to me wearing it because of that.

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I will go one further. I will try on 2 different occasions, P96 + IJ, then P96 + TUTH and let you kn ow the down and dirty later. :wink:

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FIX THIS NOW!!! LOL I mean it man…fix the whole issue of being afraid to escalate now. Otherwise you will live a life of regret as you miss out on opportunity after opportunity with different women.

You don’t have to be a jerk, you don’t have to be a nice guy, but you do have to let them know that you are a sexual being with desires, wants and needs.

Now I’m not talking about being pervy. What I am talking about is appropriate escalation without finding the excuse to back off and not even try. If the woman is attracted to you, she’ll want to be kissed, she’ll want to be touched, and if she isn’t attracted to you, then you’ll quickly find out that its time to move on and try with another woman…otherwise to continue to chase her will only push her further away and desire you less, and creating more and more pain for you.

But good luck man… just try it. You won’t alienate her if she desires more…but in the grand scheme of things… “she is not your friend!!!”
Sad to say it, but you are a toy to her and nothing more. You are a way for her to feel good when the other guys aren’t showing her attention. You are the one she gets to dump her bullshit on, so she can then free herself to be comfortable and sexy around the guy she wants to go out and bang…she is NOT your friend.
Stop contacting her in anyway shape or form, and if you haven’t heard from her in three weeks, you’ll definitely have your answer as to how good a friend she truly is.

I’ve been there man…and I can tell you, you’re probably only hearing from her when she needs something…otherwise you are the one contributing to the conversation, always contacting her first.

But once again good luck.

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Yet another reason why I like reading your posts TG. I’d comment more but after 3 hours of waxing my Mustang, I’m fucking beat.

oddly enough the perverted part of my brain is trying to turn that last sentence into something sexual…o.O

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ROFL, did you spit shine it too

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Practically. I was actually tempted to do that after I was finished :stuck_out_tongue: Here’s what I did:

Washed it and hand dried it.
Did a clay bar treatment over the entire surface.
Dried off the excess.
Used a scratch remover/polisher on the roof (had a roughness to it).
Used a precleaner/wax remover.
Used a synthetic wax that had to be hand applied and removed by hand. (orbital buffers won’t work).
Buffed it.

It’s shiny, purdy and my hands are now waterproof :stuck_out_tongue:

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There’s a difference between nice and meek. I like the nice, gentlemanly, non-player type, but if there’s no playfully aggressive “interest,” I assume you’re not interested.

On the other hand, push the closeness, tell me “what I really want”, or spend time talking to me just to start “ignoring” me to “build intrigue” I get disgusted with the “game” and I lose interest.

It’s a balance, I admit, but that’s why we hang out a few times, get to know each other, build some mutual tension and intrigue. It doesn’t have to end in a long-term relationship, but it does have to start (and end) with both of us knowing we are respected by the other.

Also, I’ve realized, there’s another type of guy I would never date – a couple I’ve met remind me WAY too much of my brother (physically and in mannerisms). This is too bad because they were otherwise absolutely wonderful, but the faintest hint of the idea of incest is terminal turnoff. Some you just may not have a chance with. (I told them they reminded me of family, but spared them the repulsion.)

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This is where I have failed in the past. I kept playing nice…and it turned into meek under the guise of “respect.”
I did not mean to imply, hopefully that I didn’t. That a guy should force an issue. I used the word appropriate I know a few times when I spoke of escalation. And by that I mean you go from A to B to C all the way to Z unless she decides its okay to skip it and go straight to Z.

If I were to pat a girl on the shoulder and she showed no interest, then I would maybe try one more time later on during the interaction and only proceed from there if there was mutual interest…like if she was already playfully touching me back etc.

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Are you using the new IJ(with nothing added to it)?

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Oh TG, I wasn’t inferring anything negative from your statements – I found them surprisingly enlightened. :wink:

Another note, though, even if she does say “it’s okay to skip straight to Z” – sometimes it’s best to fight that inner nature and say no (not yet). If you want her respect. Women think badly of male-sluts too, you know.

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Yes… I do have IJ with cops that I mixed myself, but for now only regular IJ.

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Sup? :smiley: Just read that from somewhere.

Subbing for the results of your tests, TG! :wink:

Hopefully, ONE WEEK each … 1 week of testing one spray of IJ + 30 mcgs of P96, and 1 week of testing one spray of TUTH + 30 mcgs of P96.

I may have to take it on a test run as well.

What’s your thoughts on the mix for restaurants and shopping, PStang? Tank’ya!

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How do you know if you produce none?

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You must be tired. Mine did.

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I don’t have anything conclusive yet, but I will let you know.

The best animated response I got was this girl, now a good friend, telling me to touch her boobs. A314 r.26 + P96 37.5 mcg

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This is probably the most fundamental difference between Mystery style pickup and the RSD style. RSD endorses a very aggressive approach for escalating to a sexual encounter as quickly as possible. The problem I’ve found with that is “morning after buyers remorse”. Yes, the girl can label you as a player, but she will sometimes hate herself for having “fallen for it”. Or simply regret sleeping with a guy she really knows nothing about.
This is why Mystery places such an emphasis on the comfort stage, and spending upwards of 7-10 hours with the girl in different locations. RSD is good I suppose if you want a ONS that you never have to call again…or don’t care if she returns your calls or not. But if you approach every woman with the notion that there is at least a POSSIBILITY that she might be a potential LTR, then you want to build some degree of comfort and connection before sex.

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We all produce none.

Its just how much that can be a challenge and without access to some full-on analytical systems, it is unlikely you would easily get an accurate indicator. Docs can test for testosterone levels that may be a sideways indicator. There are some people who produce no or next to no none but that is usually influenced by certain medical conditions that affect testosterone production or metabolism and you would probably know if you were one of them.

At its most general, you produce most none in your mid-late teens/early 20s. It is metabolised from testosterone and that is at its highest as our developmental processes are at their peak. After that, production falls as we age.

Someone in their 40s, like Gent and I will undoubtedly be producing far less than you and yes, I can see quite a lot in his reasoning here and yes, I too can use fairly high-dose none productively.

There are ways of keeping the production higher as you age - Regular excercise is one of the best methods and there are several dietary strategies that will help to varying degrees.

That said, I think I’ll pop-on a single shot of IJ tonight and see how it goes. Not used it for ages due to my ongoing foot problems. :frowning: Maybe moderate it with some TAA or IS. :slight_smile:

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They say that people can use others natural phero sig to tell family from others at least back in the caveman days anyways… not sure if it’s as possible these days. That way there was a “natural” way to not procreate incestuously… Maybe they were your cousins and you didn’t know…ROTFLMAO :stuck_out_tongue: