What if my body produces a low amount of mones naturally?

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hello guys,

I hope you can guide me with this issue.

A couple of minutes ago I used the ‘Phero Profile’ calculator made by nbully79 in this thread: Phero profiler: Software to gauge your natural pheromone output

Ofc one cannot be sure that the outcome of such a piece of software is entirely correct. But the outcome was something I was (a little) afraid about for some time. Apparently my body makes little amounts of mones:

Androstenol: Level = 3,69 :Low
Androsterone: Level = 3,62 :Low
Androstenone: Level = 3,83 :Low

What does this mean? Atm I am a 28 year old male. I am very ashamed to say I have ‘never been kissed’. People only notice me when I need to pay stuff or I can help them with something (fix stuff, computer etc..) Women hardly ever make eyecontact with me. I have been in the friend zone so many times I could write a book about it :stuck_out_tongue:

The total absence of intimacy with women for my entire life is starting to take an increasing mental toll on me. One female friend ( thank god i have some of those !) recently told me she knew my inexperience with women from the first moment she saw me. She said I irridiated that harmless vibe.

So without sounding to pathetic; could part of the problem be my low none signature? And if so: should I go high on the none dosage?

I am very happy to have stumbled upon AD and this forum. So I can have one more weapon in my arsenal to break out of this negative situation.

I havent really had time to test out my mones, my orders came in this week.
Atm I have:
Ammo (f21)
A314
IShine
TUTH (how naive :slight_smile: )
IJ to-go
IH to-go
IO to-go

So how do you nice people suggest I start my journey? (Maybe keeping in my mind the low none production?)

p.s. I am not relying on mones alone. I also lost alot of weight, started dressing very fashionably, going to the gym (cardio + weights) and try to be more allround outgoing.

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Well you’re going to get alot of people suggesting to test your sweet spot.

But I’d start with IO, mainly because you’ll see how blatant those hits can be.

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Your problem is likely to be body language, which women can read subconsciously and do a much better job of it than a man. I’m not saying men cannot read body language, but for most of us, it takes some mental effort.

How do you hold yourself? Do you stand tall, look people in the eye when they’re talking to you? Walk like you have a purpose?

I’m not trying to cause offence, but do you slump, walk with your head down, meekly acquiesce to every request? That screams ‘Omega! I’m the lowest of the low!’ Women don’t have anything to do with these men, except put them in the friend box. Maybe she’ll make you one of her girlfriends, that she whines to about the men she’s dating. You don’t want to be in that box, buddy.

How do you act around women? When you greet a woman, do you smile, hold eye contact with her, maybe touch her on the arm or hold her hand in a firm handshake for maybe a little longer than necessary?

If you are a healthy adult male with no reason to make the doctor worry, I doubt it is your natural output that is the problem. Most people in modern society bathe regularly and cover themselves in anti-perspirants, shower gel, shampoo, fragrance etc. Pheromones - your natural ones - don’t normally have a chance to make an impact.

What you need, Bolkie, is to look at how you approach people, especially women, and change it.

Then you worry about pheromones. The one thing people will repeat to you, over and over, is congruency. Be one with the signal you are putting out.

We can help you with that if you want. We don’t just help out with pheromones, we teach you how to use them. We also touch on other aspects of relationships and how to make them better, since the subject comes up so often, LOL!

Musk

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Thanks for the replies guys, I really appreciate it.

I have only a to-go of the IO, but I will start with that one, hopefully it can help me with my self esteem.

About my body language:
I think you have a point about my posture. Last week I read the correct way to stand tall can be practiced by putting you entire body, including head, straight against a wall or door. So I tried that, and it even hurt a little in my back. Apparently this is not the way I normally move myself around. Also, I tried to walk ‘with my head up high’ when I went for groceries yesterday. It felt like a totally unnatural thing to do for me. I always thought tall guys were the ones to not really stand/walk straight, because of their height. But apparantly I am doing the same and I am only 173cm (5 foot 8 ).

Touching women:
I never do that. I am terrified they will think I am a creep. Until shortly I never realised I never touch them.

My approach to women:
One other thing I only started to realise since very recently. I respect them too damn much. I dont know if this is related but: my father commited suicide when i was six. Since then I was raised by my mother and grandmother. In my conscious life I never had a father, grandfather, brother, male cousin or uncle to show me how to act in a non threathening yet sexual way around women.
I feel like there are 3 billion women on the earth and they all rank higher then me.

I can probably fill a book with all my thoughts about this. But that wouldnt serve any purpose and I really dont wanna bring the mood of this board down :wink:

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Mones are only a small component of attraction. Like others have written, you say a lot to women by your body language–especially posture—eye contact, tone of voice, etc. Women are more verbal creatures than men so they really pay attention to what your say. While a great total package certainly guarantees success, I’ve found charming women with verbal skills (no pun intended) made the most difference for me. They can make up for a lot of shortcomings in other areas.

Mones merely impart an edge and won’t change your basic underlying character. So while the right mones help by amping you up a bit, they will not create attraction that is not already there. I recommend hiring a coach to help improve your body language, posture, apparel, vocal tone and convo skills. Hitting the gym regularly should also help besides making you feel better.

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Well you better get used to it…LOL.
Don’t just reach out and grab random women and start massaging their shoulders..lol. There is a way to do this, start doing it now so you become comfortable with it, and when you start you won’t emanate a “creepy” vibe, because you feel creepy doing it.

Neutral touches: Shake hands, but take your left hand and gently cover her right as you shake it.

Or while shaking her hand, grab her elbow or forearm with your left, gently now so it doesn’t come across as one of those power shakes.

As you’re talking lightly touch her forearm, elbow, or shoulder.

Exact steps:
Step 1: Look into her eyes while speaking.
Step 2: Look away and point out something going on across the room while gently placing your hand on her arm / elbow / shoulder for just a few seconds.
Step 3: Remove your hand as you turn back to finish the conversation while looking in her eyes.

That’s the beginning. What you’re doing is getting a woman comfortable with you touching her in a way that is not sexual.
If you were to touch her, while looking into her eyes talking, that can convey so much more. More than she might be comfortable with.

You should always be touching a woman when you first meet her, and you escalate as the interaction becomes more meaningful.
The reason you start touching almost immediately, is so that you don’t go from no touch, to I’m now touching you intimately in a matter of seconds, which may startle her. And if you’re not congruent with it, she will get that “creepy” feeling vibe.

Start at work with the non-sexual touch as I explained above. Do this with both guys and girls, get into the habit of being “touchy feely.” But of course not in a creepy way…LOL.

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Awesome replies !!

Just a little nuance about my situation. I am not a total social mishap. When I need to be, I can be a very cool guy. I don’t think a have a problem interacting with people on a professional or friendly basis. I was never rejected after a job interview (not fulltime, I am still at university). I get very nervous before a presentation (like most people?), but afterwards they always tell me they liked it and that I acted very cool. So it is not that I go through life as an insanely shy person. Most people even think I am funny.

It is just the women thing that is huuuuuge hiatus in my life. I don’t know the correct translation into English, but from my native language it would be something like ‘contact-disturbed’. That is what I feel like when interacting with a women I find attractive. And I was hoping that somehow pheromones could prevent me from being disqualified by a women even before she gets to know me.

About the touching:
I will try and follow your advice Thegentleman. Should I also try this on women I already know, or will this make them think something is different/weird about me?

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Both guys and girls…start touching.
As far as the question about women you already know, or strangers. This is the point I was trying to make. With women you already know, they are definitely going to notice the difference because you’re going from cold to hot.
But don’t let that stop you. Light touching, over and over until it becomes a natural thing for you, then push your threshold beyond that to the next level.

Now of course, I’m not talking about escalating kino at work…LOL. But begin with light appropriate touching with anyone and everyone you come into contact with.

This has always been a very easy thing for me. I’ve always been a touchy feely kind of guy. I’ll hug friends, guys and gals. At work, if a guy is doing a great job, I’ll come by and pat him on the back or do one of those guy shoulder grabs by the neck.

With the young ladies, if I’m showing them something, to impress upon them how important the point is, I’ll touch them on the forearm while gesturing at something.

All the young ladies at work love me. I’m like their uncle, they have a nick name for me Care Bear. They’ll hug me, tell me they love me. It’s all sweet and innocent. But I’ve built this kind of rapport by being very open.

Now when it comes to meeting women I’m interested in, it makes it easier for me to start touching them.
I was hitting on a customer the other day, and to see how compliant she would be, I actually held out my hand palm up and she put her hand in mine.

I was now able to gently hold her hand, while examining the tattoo on the inside of her forearm. I was even taking my right hand and sort of outlining the drawing with my index finger on my other hand.

I could tell by the look in her eyes, even she was kind of surprised at how compliant she was…LOL.

Now that’s kind of extreme, but because I was congruent with it, and didn’t act like I was a lecherous old man touching a young nubile 20-something cutie, everything was fine.

However, the guys standing in line behind her were amazed…LOL

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While I love NBully and his phero profiler the only true way to know your hormone/pheromone levels is through medical testing.

There are indicators like race diet fitness level etc etc but those are all just small indicators. NBully’s created the profiler as a tool not to scare you. Your coming in the low range just gives you a indicator as to what products may work best for you and what ones you may not need as much.

Now dont worry about the numbers so much. The guys gave you great advice. Use that along with your pheromones and go out and have some fun with it. :wink:

Tisha

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This is all really positive :slight_smile:

@thegentleman:
I promise I will start ‘practicing’. I need to get out of my ‘comfort zone’ I think it is called. Too bad in my country nobody hardly ever hugs each other. Hugging is more an American phenomenon I think. Though we kiss on the cheek 3x times when congratulating or meeting someone, instead of the 2x times you do it :wink:

@tisha
I will not sweat about the low numbers. Though I am getting curious. What kind of doctor would be able to test me on this? What would the science or specialisation of such a doctor be called?
Also, the numbers might be low, they are also somewhat the same. So I guess I will be trying out all three types of mones :slight_smile:

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Your attitude around women is a million times more important than anything you can buy on this website. You needa be confident, and that can seem hard if you’ve had that many years of unsuccessful relationships, but you just needa find a way to make it work.

The first thing you wanna have in mind at all times, is that you are a valuable person, and you’re trying to find a woman who is worth YOUR TIME. As much as you want a girlfriend, don’t throw yourself at any girl who will look at you or give you the time of day. Have standards for yourself. You need to be able to enjoy a woman’s presence, without being attached to her, or needing her approval.

Be passionate about something too, so you have something to talk about. It really doesn’t matter what it is, as long as you find a way to make it exciting to a woman. It’s not the subject matter, its how you portray it. I have a buddy at school whose from a relatively rural area, and he just loves redneck stuff. He tells all the stories about tapping trees to make syrup and herding sheep down a dirt road, but he just gets so into it and chicks love it. It’s hilarious to watch. If you really don’t get where I’m coming from on this, tell me what you do/what you’re really into, and I’ll give you some pointers on how you can make that really exciting to a girl.

Also, here’s one way I view situations that always helps me stay in the right frame of mind. Do you have a little sister/cousin? Really any experience with young girls? What’s it like when you interact with one of them? It’s completely relaxed, because you don’t have any kind of outcome in mind, you’re just chillen with a little kid. If she calls you stupid, you don’t care, it just glides right off you. You’d probably tease her back. You needa have the same attitude when you first meet and talk to new women, keep it light, fun playful, and don’t be dependent on what she thinks. I like to imagine what the woman was like as a 9-year old, it keeps me from getting too serious.

Now obviously you can’t keep this up forever or it’ll come off as immature, but you can’t completely stop or you become boring and lose the attraction. It’s a delicate balance. The easiest way to figure it out is honestly to just go talk to women. Because honestly, you’re trying to get women attracted to YOU, but the best anyone on here can give you is what they’ve discovered that works for THEM. So you needa get out there and just start going for it.

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This is all really positive :slight_smile:

@thegentleman:
I promise I will start ‘practicing’. I need to get out of my ‘comfort zone’ I think it is called. Too bad in my country nobody hardly ever hugs each other. Hugging is more an American phenomenon I think. Though we kiss on the cheek 3x times when congratulating or meeting someone, instead of the 2x times you do it :wink:

@tisha
I will not sweat about the low numbers. Though I am getting curious. What kind of doctor would be able to test me on this? What would the science or specialisation of such a doctor be called?
Also, the numbers might be low, they are also somewhat the same. So I guess I will be trying out all three types of mones :slight_smile:

@johnny
very good advice. Unfortunately I dont have any (little) sisters/cousins, but I will try and project the 9yo thing on women anyway. That even sounds like fun thing to do, and might even make me a bit cocky (in the good way)?

I am thinking of joining a yoga class. Maybe it will help me have a more relaxed frame of mind. And probably the 90% women there wouldnt hurt either.

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I have been trying to reply, but something is going wrong.

I wanted to post:

This is all really positive :slight_smile:

@thegentleman:
I promise I will start ‘practicing’. I need to get out of my ‘comfort zone’ I think it is called. Too bad in my country nobody hardly ever hugs each other. Hugging is more an American phenomenon I think. Though we kiss on the cheek 3x times when congratulating or meeting someone, instead of the 2x times you do it :wink:

@tisha
I will not sweat about the low numbers. Though I am getting curious. What kind of doctor would be able to test me on this? What would the science or specialisation of such a doctor be called?
Also, the numbers might be low, they are also somewhat the same. So I guess I will be trying out all three types of mones :slight_smile:

@johnny
That 9yo thing is actually a very good idea. Unfortunately I dont have any little sisters or nieces, I have an idea where you are getting at. I will definately try this out on women. Maybe it can even make me a little cockey?

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Well any doctor would be licenced to request the tests but usually endocrinologists look into hormonal issues. Of course your insurance wouldn’t cover them unless they were medically necessary and they could be expensive.

I have heard there are some tests you can purchase online but I dont have any resources for reliable companies.

Here is a interesting article on hormone levels and how to increase them.

Hormones - Male Hormone Restoration: Online References For Health Concerns

Tisha

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Thanks for all the advice

I started watching a bunch of dvd’s on body language (for attraction) and all I can say is: holy crap, I have been holding myself totally wrong all my life.
Apparently good body language will only work when I have some confidence internalised (congruence?), but maybe practicing will get me somewhere :slight_smile:

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Hey guys, I wanted to give you a little update. You are giving me such great advice, it would be wrong to keep you uninformed.

<----- First of all, I decided to use an avatar of myself. Now you can see what guy you are dealing with here :stuck_out_tongue:

I signed up for a yoga class. The form is called hatha yoga. Supposedly this is good for beginners. I hope it will calm my inner self down and maybe give me better posture. I am always told 90% of yoga practitioners are female. It will be a good thing to be among more ladies.

Do any of you guys have experience with yoga? I’m sure the women on this forum have.

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  1. RE: Your post right before this one Body Language and congruence only occuring when you’re developed the inner confidence. While true if you’re not paying attention. There is also the ol’ saying, “Fake it 'til you make it.”
    This is the ol’ which came first chicken or the egg kind of argument. How can you become congruent to have confident body language when you walk around with bad body language and people take shots or you get turned down?
    Well model the behavior that you want, and then as people start to treat you better, you get better results with women you start to feel more confident as time goes on. And while you do this, work on whatever inner issues you have holding you back and before you know it, you’ll be doing all those things instinctively because you are now congruent.

  2. Yoga actually is a great place to start. I’m going to be starting Krav Maga , ball room dancing and Yoga here soon myself.
    Krav Maga (took jui jitsu years ago) to feel more confident in my ability to protect myself and my woman. Not to mention I get to work with alpha males, thicken my skin both physically and emotionally and exercise.
    Yoga - Women like a guy who is smooth when he moves. A guy that makes jerky quick movements, talks fast etc is not a confident guy, or he’s a confident guy tweaking on meth.
    Either way, yoga will help with that and then there are the physical, mental and spiritual health benefits that go along with it.
    Ball Room Dancing - I’ve taken some intro classes, and I’m going back for the full monty. The reason being is one thing ball room dancing taught me in the short time I was there is of course you learn to dance, which women love guys who can dance, but you also learn how to be confident in leading a woman.
    Any great male dancer can take a woman who can’t dance a lick and make her look like Ginger Rogers if he knows how to lead, and of course great dancers do. I’ve seen it with my own two eyes on a number of occasions. I know champion ball room dancers and have been to parties and these guys just move those ladies around the floor like no ones biz.
    And like yoga teaches you great posture.
    My roommate just couldnt stop looking at the male instructor and the way he stood during all the classes we took.

Okay..time to shower and go to work. :open_mouth:

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That your score seems low across the board is irrelevant. That you score in the same range is. This means you don’t have any imbalances. A couple of sprays of Ammo should lift your total levels up plenty. Then it depends on what direction you want your signal to go. If you want to come across as mature and socially dominant, enhance your Rone signal with A314 or IG. If you want to seem more physically dominant or sexually aggressive then boost up your None signal with a spray of TuTH or IJ. IO and/or IH should make you more social and approachable.

The good news is that you have what is basically a clean palate on which to work. Most products contain one or more of the major mones plus certain steering molecules to direct it toward certain desired effects. Say for example you had a high None sig, but not specifically a sexual one. Adding Tuth could help steer it in a sexual direction, or it could create a None OD that makes people either shy away from you or become aggressive toward you. With an almost blank slate you can pick and choose your effects.

Now if your concerns are that your pheromone signature being considered low is a sign of something else. Then simply adopt a few lifestyle changes to boost it up. Basically anything that effects your natural testosterone production will effect your pheromone production. T boosters like Tribulus, dietary changes, working out, quitting smoking (if you smoke) taking a good multi vitamin, etc will all effect your bodies production of the big T. And most pheromones are derivatives, or metabolites of either test itself, or by products of it’s natural production. Healthy lifestyle=healthy phero production (barring serious physical disorders of course)

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Awesome advice again !

@thegentleman

Cool ideas. I was primarily interested in yoga for my mental health. But if it can improve my posture and movement (slow movement, never thought about that) this makes it all the better ! So I hope it will be a body and mind experience.

The body language. I am working on it everytime I stand up and/or walk out of the door. Whenever I am passing a mirror or e.g. a reflecting shopping window I take notice about how I am walking. I think it even makes me look a bit taller ! So atm I am faking it, but I am sure I will make it soon !:smiley:

@radman

About the testosterone: I was already doing your suggestions for the healthy body. I brought my weight back from 79kg to 68 kg (174lbs. to 149lbs.) which should be healthy for my lenght (173cm or 5’'8). I did this by eating healthy and working out. I also quit alcohol a couple years ago. Soon when I consider my lovehandles small enough I will try bulking up a little. Or maybe not, I look awesome now compared to how I looked when I was fatter. A couple weeks ago I stopped cafeine. I hope this will curb my overall anxiety, and I hope this will be the case very soon (this takes some time). I have been taking the multivitamin for months now, together with fish oil (omega 3). The only bad habit I still have is smoking. If I manage to stop smoking, I will have succesfully stopped every bad physical habit I ever had. LOL I even stopped biting my nails. Even my hands aren’t a wreckage anymore :smiley:

The mones: So if I have a low mone signature ( ofc we cannot know for sure), I could actually turn this around to be a good thing? Interesting viewpoint.
So if I understand you correctly. Ammo should always be my base? And then I pair it with the steering mones?

So for instance:
Going out to a bar/club or when I know I will meet attractive women I use Ammo + IJ / TUTH + a social
College I use Ammo + one of the socials
When out ‘getting stuff done’ I use Ammo + a314 + one or more socials

Do I understand this correctly?

I really really appreciate this guys. I am giving my life(style) a proper makeover. Sometimes I need a little help or steering :slight_smile:

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I read somewhere in another thread an A314 user said it helped him to quit smoking.
However, leave yourself a vice…LOL you gotta have at least one, otherwise you go crazy. I guess your vice can be wild women. :smiley:

Dude we all need steering at one time or another. I try to surround myself with strong succesful types, people who will call me on my bullshit. I’ve got 4 very strong and determined people in my life who I am proud to call friends. Not one of them would ever consider not being honest with me.